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Subject Voices of Sanity Date Thu Sep 20 21:42 Author M. Record (tribalbeat@bigplanet.com)

Friends & Family - In the midst of varieties of emotional responses to the extreme act of terrorism that took place last Tuesday, I have been searching for the voices of "higher consciousness". It is really scary to see a continuation of the same response to aggression that has created the endless imbalances that have kept WAR a part of humanity's story through its entire history. It's true that evil exists - but how shall we deal with it ? I will be sending out messages as I find them. And I have offered a brief comment here also... On the playground, the natural tendency is for the young boys to fight to get their way while the girls tend to use verbal skills to negotiate and reorganize the situation to be more fair for all involved. This might be a good model for politics of sanity. This whole event reminds me of the "small" acts of terrorism perpetuated by our own people...the school shootings, employees "gone postal", and men killing their entire family to retain "control" when they feel like they have lost their superiority. It is the same motivation for those terrorists. Sadly, they feel like this is the only way they have to strike out. The world simply needs more Compassion and Loving Intervention to STOP the evil. Individuals must be encouraged and allowed to create international movements that can provide a human face to changing bad behavior by individuals and groups around the globe where people are suffering by punishing force and torture. What if a Peace Force of hundreds/thousands of women, children, and peaceful men marched into the country of Afghanistanand demanded they stop persecuting their women and children and promoting terrorism. What if those people worked side-by-side with their citizens to help improve their living situation with sustainable, ecologically,sound technology. What if we embraced them with love & respect. That response would succeed and would be a seed for the evolution of humanity toward a true New Age of planetary peace & prosperity. Our involvement as a nation includes re-thinking our participation in the entire global economy. Money has been the ruler of decision-making for too long and is killing the human spirit as well as destroying the natural environment of the planet. This is our wake-up call. What world do we want to wake-up in? Melody Record Continually Vigilant... ANOTHER COMPASSIONATE MESSAGE: From Christian de Quincey, Associate Director of Communications, IONS My First Response to the Tragic Events of September 11, 2001. At times like this it is important to feel and honor our connection with all humanity, with all living beings. My heart and prayers go out to the victims and their families of today's catastrophe. And I am moved, also, to try to understand the terrible pain of the suicide bombers, pain and anger that catapulted them to such insanities. It is definitely a wake-up call for the entire world to pay attention to the deep, deep need everyone has for fair treatment and recognition. As I see it, we elect our governments, they respond to corporate pressures and make decisions based on questionable economic and geopolitical priorities. People, many millions of people, are often left suffering as a result of these decisions. Their deepest needs go unheard and unmet. Today's events are a response to and consequence of that chain of responsibilities. If ever there was a time for a "global mind change," this is it. We need more than ever to shift away from fear and greed and hatred, and open our hearts to compassion, understanding, forgiveness, and love. If not, a likely scenario is that today, as horrible as it is, will be just a precursor to events even more unthinkable. As always, it begins with each of us. Each of us has a choice to support those who run our lives from a base of greed and fear, or to support the deepest intentions alive in everyone's heart, I believe, for a civilization that honors and nourishes the wellbeing of us all. ......You can also find these comments and more in our Noetic Cafe. Go to www.noetic.org. Click on 'Share your Views on Terrorist Attack.' Follow the instructions to enter the Cafe. You will be able to read all the messages. MORE LATER.........(what do you think?)......

	Subject You Guys Date Sat Jan 10 2004 23:04 Author Mike
Need a good dose of reality. But you'll never get it.

	Subject Christopher Lyon wounded Tikrit Iraq Date Fri Jan 16 2004 10:54 Author Lt. Amy Huffman (ahuffman221@aol.com)
I am trying to find out the status of Christopher Lyon wounded near Tikrit, Iraq in May 2003, attached to 2nd Marines-Recon. Thanks!!!

Subject More Voices of Sanity - 9/15/01 Date Author M. Record (tribalbeat@bigplanet.com)

FRIENDS: Yes, there is hope. The bright light today was ABC's Town Hall-style talk with children in New York this morning facilitated by Peter Jennings. They spoke honestly & thoughtfully, very unlike the fixed reactive rhetoric spouted by "angry" adults that the media focuses on. They were concerned about WHY the terrorists would commit such an outrageous act (including suicide) and wanted to know about the Muslim/Islamic religion. They knew that they had not been told enough to understand beyond the "buzz words" and and wanted things explained honestly. Many of them knew the U.S. had bombed other countries, killing innocent civilians and sensed that the terrorist acts Tuesday were "pay back" for what we did to them. THEY WANTED US TO SHOW COMPASSION TO THESE COUNTRIES WHERE PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING, PERHAPS BECAUSE OF OUR ACTIONS. They do not want a world of terrorism, but they wanted our country to abide by the same standards...that is, not terrorize other nations for our "beliefs"(Oh yeah, and "share the wealth"). The message I'm passing on today is forwarded from another artist/community activist - Rick Walker. He sends a message from Steve Nivea, a Professor of Middle-East Politics. It describes very clearly the true nature of the "renegade" nations and terrorists put into perspective. Most telling: Osama bin Laden was once an American ally we supported because he was against another of our enemies. This seems to be repeated often in our history of international conflict. Read On ! -Melody Record "Give Peace A Chance" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi everyone, What follows is the best analysis of the roots of the middleeastern terrorism that has struck our country this week that I have read. Aside from fighting for the rights of artists in Santa Cruz County, I eschew political activity, but I am very concerned that the current emotionally based call for a War on Terrorism has not taken the facts into consideration. We don't want to live with terrorism for the rest of our lives and what follows really helped me to understand and make sense of this horrible tragedy. My deepest sympathies go out to all of the people who were killed and to all the millions of lives who have been impacted by their deaths. May justice and peace prevail on our planet............god bless. Rick Walker ---------------------------------------------------------------------- UNDERSTANDING MIDDLE EASTERN SOUCES of VIOLENCE AGAINST the UNITED STATES BY: Steve Niva, The Evergreen State College--------- In the wake of the immense and sickening tragedy of the recent attacks it is difficult to get beyond the horror and shock of what has just happened and engage in some reflection on the sources of violence against the United States. This is understandable given the almost unbelievable nature of this attack. Yet it is more necessary than everm if one is to cope with the tragedy and try to find ways to make sure it will never happen again. What we will see in the next few days and weeks will be investigations, arrests of individuals and intense speculation about which groups or states did this and how the United States should respond. Unfortunately, if the pattern of past responses to such attacks is repeated, we will probably not learn a great deal about the reasons behind why this attack happened, or the broader sources of violenceagainst the United States over the past decade. We are hearing substantial reports of a Middle Eastern connection to this attack and media coverage has frequently mentioned the name of Osama bin Laden as the number one terrorist suspect and mastermind of this operation. If this evidence is verified, it is extremely important to gain clarity about the specific actors and their motivations before one can even think about how to respond. For Americans who like their hero's and villains portrayed in simple dichotomies of good and evil, the result of this kind of clarity could be disturbing because the United States has created many enemies through its policies in the Middle East over the past century and bears a significant amount of responsibility for creating a fertile soil for anti-American hatred. WHO IS BEHIND THE ATTACKS ? The recent attacks are most likely related to an escalating series of attacks and bombings on U.S. targets over the past 10 years, including the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in which hundreds were killed. This attack followed a 1996 car-bomb attack on a U.S. barracks in Dharahan, Saudi Arabia that killed 19 Americans and a 1995 car-bomb attack on an American National Guard Training center in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, and, of course, the 1993 World Trade Center truck-bombing. All of these attacks have been attributed to Islamic radicals based in the Middle East and Central Asia under the rubric of a very hazy notion of "Islamic fundamentalism." Indeed a number of people from these regions with links to certain militant Islamic groups have been arrested and charged in some of these actions. Breathless reports of a shadowy Islamic conspiracy against the U.S. have generated a steady stream of cliché's about this new enemy and its hatred of the U.S., but unfortunately precious little light has been shed on understanding why this is happening and what exactly these people believe. Their enmity towards the U.S. is explained as little more than the product of a fanatical and inherently anti-Western and anti-American world view. Stephen Emerson, a so-called terrorism expert who frequently appears in the media, claims that "the hatred of the US by militant Islamic fundamentalists is not tied to any particular act or event. Rather, fundamentalists equate the mere existence of the West-its economic, political and cultural systems-as an intrinsic attack on Islam." Any explanation of Middle Eastern violence that relies upon the notion that Islam is an inherently violent or inherently anti-Western religion is false and misleading. First, Islam is one of the world's largest and most diverse religions and like Christianity or Judaism there are thousands of views within Islam about the religion and also about violence and the West. Secondly, there are major differences even among explicitly Muslim militants and activists regarding these issues-some insist upon non-violent struggle and others regard violence as a legitimate tool. There is no way one can generalize about Islam or any religion for that matter. So who are the perpetrators and what drove them to carry this horrendous act? The most likely perpetrators of these attacks are related to an extremely small and fringe network of militants whose motivations do not derive from Islam so much as from a common set of experiences and beliefs that resulted from their participation in the U.S. backed war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980's. These militants were recruited by the CIA, the Saudi Arabian and Pakistani intelligence services to fight against the Soviet Union during the 1980's. They came largely from the poor and unemployed classes or militant opposition groups from around the Middle East, including Algeria, Egypt, Palestine and elsewhere in order to wage war on behalf of the Muslim people of Afghanistan against the communist led invasion. Among the many coordinators and financiers of this effort was a rich young Saudi named Osama Bin Laden, who was the millionaire son of a wealthy Saudi businessman with close contacts to the Saudi royal family. He was considered to be a major CIA asset in the war against the SovietUnion. After 1984, these groups started building major bases in Pakistan and Afghanistan and fought against the Soviet Union. This network of conservative Sunni Muslim militants, who became known as "the Afghans", also served another purpose for the U.S. and its allies in the region. Not only were they anti-Communist they were also opposed to the 1979 Islamic revolution in Iran that had toppled a major ally ofthe U.S., the Shah of Iran, who had helped control the oil fields in the region under U.S. hegemony. They opposed the revolution because Iranian Islam is based on the Shiite branch of Islam that differs in important ways from the major Sunni branch of Islam. The clear aim of U.S. foreign policy was to kill two birds with one stone: turn back the Soviet Union and create a counter-weight to radical Iranian inspired threats to U.S. interests, particularly U.S. backed regimes who controlled the massive oil resources. THE FAILURE of U.S. POLICY in the MIDDLE EAST But this policy has now turned into a nightmare for the U.S. and has likely led to the recent attacks against the U.S. in New York and Washington D.C. After the Soviets were defeated in Afghanistan in 1989 this network became expendable to the U.S. who no longer needed thei services. In fact, the U.S. actively turned against these groups after the Gulf War when a number of these militants returned home and opposed the U.S. war against Iraq and especially the U.S. ground troops placed in Saudi Arabia on the land of the Islamic holy sites of Mecca and Madina. In the past decade there has been a vicious war of intelligence services in the region between America and its allies and militant Muslim groups. Many Egyptian Islamists believe the U.S. trained Egyptian police torture techniques like they did the Shah and his brutal Savak security police. The CIA has sent snatch squads to abduct wanted militants form Muslim countries and return them to their countries to face almost certain death or imprisonment. The primary belief of this loose and militant network of veterans of the Afghanistan war is that the West, led by the United States, is now waging war against Muslims around the world and that they have to defen themselves by any means necessary, including violence and terrorism. They point to a number of cases where Muslims have born the brunt of violence as evidence of this war: the genocide against Bosnian Muslims, the Russian war against Chechnya, the Indian occupation of Kashmir, the Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands, the UN sanctions against Iraq or the US support of brutal dictatorships in Algeria, Egypt or Saudi Arabia, for example. They claim that the US either supported the violence or failed to prevent it in all of these cases. It should be clear that this network is only a very radical fringe of militants who have decided that they must use armed tactics to get their message out to the U.S. and others. They have been identified as the major players in the recent string of anti-U.S. bombings across the Middle East that culminated in the U.S. embassy bombings in Africa and now, possibly, the attacks directly on American soil. They are very different from the wider current of Islamic activism in Arab world and more globally which in addition to its Islamic orientation has an agenda about social justice and social change against the dictatorships and terrible economic conditions and extensive corruption in many of the pro-Western countries in the region. They are anti-Iranian. They are now anti-Saudi. And their actions have even been condemned by very militant Muslim organizations ranging from the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt to the FIS in Algeria to HAMAS in Palestine. They are disconnected from these movements in many ways although some sentiments are certainly shared. There is no question that the U.S. support for Israel and its support for the devastating sanctions on Iraq, as well as U.S. support for brutal dictatorships across the region, have created a fertile ground for sympathy with such militancy. Osama bin Laden is not the mastermind of these attacks as is often claimed in the media; he just facilitates these groups and sentiments with his money and finances, as do others. He is simply a very visible symbol of this network and the U.S. obsession with him most likely works to increase his standing as an icon of resistance to the U.S. The rise of this militant network and their adoption of violence against the United States represents a clear failure of U.S. strategy in the region, especially the U.S./Saudi/Pakistani model of alliance between conservative Sunni Islamic activism and the West. The problem is that US has no alternative political strategy because they see all Islamic activists as their enemy and refuse to address the root causes of anti-American sentiments in the region, especially support for dictatorships and rampant poverty among the majority of the region's masses of people. Just as important, the U.S appears to have no long-term strategy to address the sources of grievances that the radical groups share with vast majority of Muslim activists who abhor using violent methods that would include a more balanced approach to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, ending the sanctions on Iraq or moving U.S. military bases out of Saudi Arabia. HOW to TRULY DEFEAT TERRORISM Many of us accept the premise that terrorism is a phenomenon that can be defeated only by better ideas, by persuasion and, most importantly, by amelioration of the conditions that inspire it. Terrorism's best asset, in the final analysis, is the fire in the bellies of its young men. That fire cannot be extinguished by Tomahawk missiles or military operations. If intelligent Americans can accept this premise as a reasonable basis for dealing with this threat, why is it so difficult for our leaders to speak and act accordingly? The present U.S. strategy for ending the threat of terrorism through the use of military force will very likely exacerbate these problems. When innocent U.S. citizens are killed and harmed by blasts at US embassies or bases, the U.S. government expects expressions of outrage and grief over brutal terrorism. But when U.S. Cruise missiles kill and maim innocent Sudanese, Afghanis, and Pakistanis, the U.S. calls it collateral damage. Many of the world's 1.2 billion Muslim people are understandably aggrieved by double standards. The U.S. claims that it must impose economic sanctions on certain countries that violate human rights and/or harbor weapons of mass destruction. Yet the U.S. largely ignores Muslim victims of human rights violations in Palestine, Bosnia, Kosovo, Kashmir and Chechnya. What's more, while the U.S. economy is propped up by weapon sales to countries around the globe and particularly in the Middle East, the U.S. insists on economic sanctions to prevent weapon development in Libya, Sudan, Iran and Iraq. In Iraq, the crippling economic sanctions cost the lives of 5,000 children, under age five, every month. Over one million Iraqis have died as a direct result of over a decade of sanctions. Finally, the U.S. pro-Israel policy unfairly puts higher demands on Palestinians to renounce violence than on Israelis to halt new settlements and adhere to U.N. resolutions calling for an Israeli withdrawal from Palestinian lands. There is no justification for the horrendous attacks on innocent American civilians in New York or Washington. Yet, at this difficult time, Americans should critically examine policies with which Arabs, Muslims and many others have legitimate grievances. Why do we refuse to see the flaws in these policies? Is it easier to demonize those in the Arab world who oppose them as a way of diverting attention from our own mistakes? President Bush and others have labeled all Islamic militants as members or "affiliates" of the "Osama bin Laden Network of Terrorism." This is,of course, the common mistake of demonizing one individual as the root of all evil. In fact, elevating bin Laden to that status only gives him a mantle of heroism now and, more ominously, will guarantee him martyrdom if he should die. Even if he is killed or captured, the fertile soil that creates such figures will still be there. Moreover, any attacks may simply serve to inflame passions and create hosts of new volunteers to their ranks. Military solutions to the problems in the Middle East and the terrorism that has resulted from these problems is not a policy but a recipe for more violence and bombings. --------Steve Niva teaches International politics and Middle East Studies at the Evergreen State College--------------

Subject Reply Date Tue Apr 8 2003 13:51 Author Saverain (saverain@yahoo.com)

We can't let Islamic radicals kill US citizens because it is there religion. We have to preserve people's lifes. The islamic radicals are the ones that attacked us because of our religion or way of life so they are the ones that are attacking people's religions and we have to stop that. Not all people of the Islam religion believe in these acts of violence so indeed we should not say that it is the fault of the entire islam race. That is not the complete reason we are attacking Iraq anyways. Saddam has killed a lot of people and supressed a lot more. The US is freeing them. And sometimes people die. It happens. The amount of casulities isn't that much right now. And the US trys to save everyone they can but sometimes mistakes happen in war and people die. If we do not get rid of Saddam he will kill 10x's more people than we will in this war.

Subject Ethnic America Speaks Out for Sanity! (9/16/01) Date Thu Sep 20 22:15 Author M. Record (tribalbeat@bigplanet.com)

My friend, Emily - who often teaches East Indian dance - has passed along to me these two poignant messages again reminding us that we DO NOT want more innocent people to die because our Leaders are only comfortable using violence to fix things (macho-correctness ?). I'm sure you will be as touched by these heartfelt pleas for sanity as I was. Thank God/dess people ARE speaking out ! Melody Record "Imagine" John Lennon's World ---------MESSAGE #1--------------------------------------------- Hello buddies of mine! You are all probably getting many e-mails about the recent happenings in New York and Washington. Here is one more - from my little saddened heart. I have been talking to my students, all these little AMERICAN (of Indian heritage descent) - 8 and 9 year olds. "What would you do now, if I made you the president of United States" was my question. The answers were interesting. Yesterday one child said "I would close the gates and not allow any of these foreigners to come into our country." It shocked me to hear that. "What are your mom and dad? Foreigners?" I asked. She didn't realize that's what she was saying. I have been facing this a lot over the 4 days. "Ramaa! Don't wear hose salwar dresses. Afghan people dress like that" say some Indian friends to me. "Ramaa, you should wear a big dot on your forehead so that everyone knows that you are a Hindu, and not one of those Muslim people" say other Hindu pals of mine. At a time when we should unite and feel one as Americans, we are already becoming divided, fearing one another (and irresponsible statements made by the likes of Jerry Falwell don't help any!). I love this country. For 23 years this has been my home. This is my adopted land. I brought up my children here. I have lived longer here than in my own land of birth. I have gotten used to the hyphenated identity of Indian American. But in my heart, I am an American first. My children are Americans. I feel the pain, the blood and the sorrow and even the helplessness that many are feeling right now. But all of a sudden, I am afraid. It scares me to hear speeches made of the whites versus the non whites, gays versus straight, and of course references to "those damned foreigners". The following two pieces of excellently written messages came to me - the first from one of my dearest friends Don Bondi and another sent to me by a student of mine. They are thought provoking. I wanted to share it with all of you. They are messages about hyphenated citizens from two different perspectives - one from a true American (as if there is any such thing) and another from an Afghan-American. I think you will like it. Please feel free to share it with all you like In Peace, Love and Patriotism Ramaa Bharadvaj --------------MESSAGE #2---------------------------------------- American Says To ALL Concerned - I've been thinking. During all this tragedy I've not once heard of a hyphenated American being killed or hurt-ONLY AMERICANS.. MAYBE it is time we all got rid of those pejorative terms we have become accustomed to using. MAYBE, just maybe it's OK to be called an American period, without trying to divide our nationality with hyphens. I remember when as a little boy and my father was called "wob or dago," he always replied, "NO, I"m an American." YES, I am an American. (Not Italian-American or Irish-American BUT AMERICAN) What are you??? AN D if this is too drastic at least let's reverse the order- American-Italian, etc. Another memory of the stupidity of this terminology-during the Olympics when Kristy Yamaguchi was competing and eventually won the gold in Japan she was always referred to as an American and her opponent the Japanese skater was Japanese, as rightly it should have been. Let us rethink these pejorative, divisive, and political terms and see us ALL as Citizens of the United States of American. That does not mean we should ignore our heritage, but it is just that, a heritage not where our allegiance lies. And while I'm at it let's get rid of the phrase "Seeing grown men cry." I've never seen or heard the term "seeing grown women cry." (smile). I know this may be simplistic or idealistic but hey so what. Love you all. DON *********************************************************************************************************************** American- Afghan says The following was sent to me by my friend Tamim Ansary. Tamim is an Afghani-American writer. He is also one of the most brilliant people I know in this life. When he writes, I read. When he talks, I listen. Here is his take on Afghanistan and the whole mess we are in. -Gary T. Dear Gary and whoever else is on this email thread: I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that this would mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage. What else can we do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing whether we "have the belly to do what must be done." And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've never lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell anyone who will listen how it all looks from where I'm standing. I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity in New York. I agree that something must be done about those monsters. But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant psychotics who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a political criminal with a plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin Laden, think Hitler. And when you think "the people of Afghanistan" think "the Jews in the concentration camps." It's not only that the Afghan people had nothing to do with this atrocity. They were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would exult if someone would come in there, take out the Taliban and clear out the rats nest of international thugs holed up in their country. Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban? The answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated, suffering. A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000 disabled orphans in Afghanistan-a country with no economy, no food. There are millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying these widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines, the farms were all destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the reasons why the Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban. We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age. Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it already. Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses? Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from medicine and health care? Too late. someone already did all that. New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide. Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they don't move too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who did this horrific thing. Actually it would only be making common cause with the Taliban-by raping once again the people they've been raping all this time. So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with true fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there with ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do what needs to be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to kill as many as needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms about killing innocent people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's actually on the table is Americans dying. And not just because some Americans would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. It's much bigger than that folks. Because to get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other Muslim nations just stand by? You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world war between Islam and the West. And guess what: that's Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants. That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's all right there. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a holocaust in those lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, that's even better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong, in the end the west would win, whatever that would mean, but the war would last for years and millions would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the belly for that? Bin Laden does. Anyone else? Tamim Ansary

Subject Voices of Sanity Say LOVE not Hate (9/17/01) Date Author M. Record, et al (tribalbeat@bigplanet.com)

The messages today come from the Science of Mind Foundation, a "New Thought" spiritual group. (For their beliefs see:http://www.somfoundation.org/somfpage8.html) There are actually some wonderful spiritual/religious groups that are offering words of inspiration to follow our "Higher Consciousness". If we truly want the world to become a better place, we must MAKE CHANGES in our everyday life. The wake-up call of tremendous loss of life should be honored, the result being a world that is connected spiritually - from the heart & mind - so no more sacrifices are necessary. By offering himself as the ultimate sacrificial lamb 2000 years ago, Jesus became the root of a movement to end animal & human sacrifice to "appease God(s)"...sacrifices done to CHANGE THE FUTURE FOR THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE. Jesus brought a new ritual into existence that replaced cruel, outdated practices. The New Millennium (Age of Aquarius) has begun and now it is time to make our changes and get rid of the cruel, outdated policies of nations (humanity), replacing them with New Thoughts & Actions that will lead us towards an epoch of caring and sharing. This is the Beginning. There is much work for all of us to do, both as individuals and in community. But it is this work that deepens our life. To see a perfect example of a time of caring & family, watch the video "Little Women"(1994). Let's surround ourselves with positive influences and feed our souls...they're hungry. Melody Record Think HUMAN RACE, not Rat Race. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dear Friends, In my book HEALING THE SOUL OF AMERICA, I wrote about an experience I had in a hotel lobby in New Delhi during the mid l990’s. It resonates deeply for me today. An Egyptian diplomat, whom I met while taking a break from leading a spiritual pilgrimage to India, came up to me and gently, kindly said these words: “I do not mean this as a criticism of the United States. I know the Americans are good men and women. But please try to make them understand: many people in my part of the world feel that they have been forced to try to keep up with you, in a race that we do not really care to run. Your technology is amazing, but America seems spiritually polluted to many of us. Your ways are not our ways, and while we were tempted for a while to think that your ways should be our ways, we do not think that anymore. This is the problem, Ms. Williamson, and there will be terrible consequences in the world if America does not come to understand this. Islamic terrorists have had such success- if you can call their campaigns a success -- because they have been able to persuade millions of peasants that America is bad. It is not too difficult to do, Ms. Williamson. All they have to do is describe the television programs you export to this part of the world, and millions of people are very horrified. America often comes across to us as very arrogant and uncaring. Your government does not understand. They do not see how the people feel. We need the American people to understand. Perhaps you will bring more Americans to our part of the world. If they come to understand us, then they will respect us. We would feel that respect, and then I don’t think that the terrorists would have such success. This is not a job the CIA can do. It is only a job which people can do.” His words have rung in my ears over the last few days, and I thought that perhaps they would ring in yours. They reveal important information, which I hope we all take to heart. Peace and love to all of you, Marianne Williamson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dear Friends, In this dimension, tragedies do occur, but they neither reflect nor modify the ultimate truth of who we are. That is why those who died in this tragic situation, lost their bodies but they did not die. While the body is destructible, the spirit is not. Therefore, when we ask “Where was God in all this?” the answer is that He was and is right here, keeping every soul safe in the palm of His hands. He did not cause these events, nor did He will them. This tragedy reflects choices made by those who had turned their hearts from love. He heals the world not by interfering with the effects of our lovelessness, but by calling us back to love. Let’s not forget: God did not do this. People did. I have heard people say, concerning the current crisis, that the idea of holding to love in our hearts seems to work well in terms of an individual’s life ? job, family, home etc. but that it doesn’t seem to work well on a large planetary scale. My response to that would be: how would we know? Have we ever tried it? The basic metaphysical law of Creation is the Law of Cause and Effect: Love brings back love, and fear brings back fear. That law holds true whether for an individual’s life, or for a collective life, and individuals are not spared the consequences of actions taken in its government’s name. Clearly, it is in our own best interest to foster compassion in the political realm. We know in our personal lives that love is a healing and reconciling force, yet when has any government -- including our own -- ever made love an organizing principle of domestic or foreign policy? Does love guide our government’s actions around the world? And given that the answer is so often “No,” has the fear which dominates our foreign policy created for us a world that works? Is it working now? And most painfully but perhaps most significantly of all, is it not possible that some of our own government’s behavior has not contributed in major ways to the trial that we face now? The people who perpetrated these terrorist acts are neither rational nor sane. They are full of hate for us and for our children, and they must be dealt with in appropriate ways. But at the same time, there are millions of others ? who are not irrational, who are not insane ? who deeply resent what they perceive to be America’s arrogance and unjust attitudes when confronted by any questioning of our right to economic dominance throughout the world. While those people would not attack us as we have now been attacked, the intensity of their often valid resentments must inevitably contribute to attitudes of violence towards us. Our President has said that we’re going to “whip those people.” The presumption is that we will find all the terrorists, route them out of the world, and then the problem will be solved. But that kind of thinking is both simplistic and dangerous at such a time as this. The President’s attitudes are like someone saying, “I know I have cancer. Just give me enough radiation and chemotherapy, operate on me and take it all out. Then I know I will be okay.” Sadly, the case is not often that simple when it comes to cancer and it is not always that simple when it comes to politics. Every terrorist was once a child, and it was in childhood that he or she was first taught to hate. If the United States now makes its primary response to our current crisis the complete annihilation of any part of the world which has in any way conspired with terrorists, then we will contribute to the emergence of a generation of people whose numbers, and intensity of hatred toward the United States, will be even worse than what we face now. It is to be noted that if such a situation is to occur, then it will not perhaps be us ? but surely it will be our children ? who pay a terrible price for years to come. Of course we want to DO something; it is so painful to think that there is not some one big display of power that will rid us of the horror we feel now. Yet it is our capacity to BE with that horror, and ask God if there is anything He would have us learn from it, that is the key to our deliverance, both personally and politically. The love in our hearts is more powerful than bombs. If enough of us remember this, we will have a miracle. If we do not, God help us all. We pray Not only for those who love us, But also for those who do not. May all our hearts be awakened now To the common bond of our humanity.

Subject Voices of Sanity from Women of Vision (9/18/01) Date Thu Sep 20 23:41 Author M. Record, et al (tribalbeat@bigplanet.com)

"Honor people who deeply understand the urgent need for profound positive social change and their committed actions to create it. Also honor those who are the spiritual sculptors from the inner to outer plane, the "Vision Keepers" in all societies. Become one of those people - today." - inspired by WOVA ------------------------------------------------------------ Friends - As the days go by since the traumatic destruction, the uneasiness and worry about the future continues churn our spirits. There is only one cure - do the right thing. It may take a while to figure out what that is, but just start experimenting if you're not sure. Check out the possibilities. I hope these messages will stimulate you to make your world a better place. There are incredible and outstanding groups of individuals coming together to work with the goal of creating a better world NONVIOLENTLY... New Visions...New Ideas....Taking Action... Believing that they can Make a Difference. Here are two truly inspirational groups....check out their websites for more info. Melody Record A New Dawn every day. ================================================== ====WOMEN OF VISION & ACTION===http://www.wova.org/ In the beginning there was a call... The Story of WOVA "Call the women together!" was the statement that launched the network that is now known as Women of Vision and Action (WOVA). Those words were voiced in 1993 by a Middle Eastern woman who had given up all hope of peace in the Middle East. In the midst of the woman's soulful story of having lost family and friends in the civil wars of her country, Rama Vernon held her hand, listened compassionately, and shared her pain. After a few minutes of silence, Rama asked the woman if there was anything that could be done to create peace. The woman said, her voice trembling with hope, "Call the women together. Perhaps it is through the women that we will find peace. Let us gather together for a day. Let us break bread, share our stories, our hearts, and our visions for peace. Let us hold the vision until it becomes a reality." A meeting was created within two weeks and women came from all over the United States. The day was so successful that the women present wanted to duplicate it in their own regions. For two years Rama traveled throughout the United States listening to over 500 women express their vision of a peaceful world. The momentum of those gatherings led to a large conference in Washington, DC entitled, "Women of Vision: Leadership for a New World. Eleanor LeCain, a speaker at the conference, invited women to come together to find ways to bring the energy and ideas from the conference into the world. Several women stepped forward and were instrumental in giving birth to the ongoing network now known as Women of Vision and Action (WOVA). Among those women were Eleanor LeCain who served as WOVA's founding president, Marilyn Miller who served as Vice President, Barbara Marx-Webber who served as membership chairman and editor of WOVA's first newsletters, Patricia Ellsberg and Barbara Marx Hubbard who served on the Executive Council. ====================OUR PURPOSE==================== WOVA seeks to identify, connect and support emerging and established women leaders throughout the world who are dedicated to a vision of positive change for the future and who are actively involved in making their visions real in the world. =====================OUR QUALITIES=============== A Woman of Vision and Action is one who practices compassion, courage and spirit-infused action in her daily life and in fulfilling her life purpose. She honors all life, sustained and supported by planet Earth. She respects all differences in life, with sensitivity and understanding. She works towards the resolution of disputes personally, nationally and globally through dialogue and mediation. She holds the space for healing in difficult situations, thinking the best for herself and others. She aspires towards a positive attitude and willingness to affirm positive outcomes and works toward positive solutions in all situations. She honors the sacredness of ALL life and the gifts of diversity in ethnic, racial, religious backgrounds, beliefs and ideologies. She embraces all children in the world and seeks to create a world where they can thrive. ===================OUR BELIEFS============== WE BELIEVE in the qualities of compassion and courage. WE BELIEVE spirit-based social action can change the world. WE BELIEVE in the creative ability of all people as part of one human family, who are united in one global community. WE BELIEVE in the right of all individuals to a healthy, safe and productive life. WE BELIEVE in the positive uses of technology for peace, information services, communication and cooperation for ALL people. WE BELIEVE in the methods of dialogue and mediation to resolve disputes both personal and global. WE BELIEVE that all children deserve a world where they can thrive. ====================Our Mission==================== To provide a network that supports and connects emerging and established women leaders who believe vision combined with spirit-based action are the ingredients for creating positive change in the world and who are actively demonstrating that belief by embracing the vision, taking the action and being the change they wish to see in the world. ================WHO WE ARE========================= Women of Vision & Action, a 501c3 organization, is a worldwide network of emerging and established women leaders from all backgrounds who are dedicated to a vision of positive change for the future and who are actively involved in making their visions real in the world. Our intention is to ensure that women's voices and values are more fully represented in all arenas. Our network consists of women who believe personal and social transformation are inseparable and mutually interdependent. We honor women who deeply understand the urgent need for profound positive social change and their committed actions to create it. We also honor women who are the spiritual sculptors from the inner to outer plane, the "Vision Keepers" in all societies. =========================================================== ===========WOMEN for a JUST & HEALTHY PLANET======= http://www.oise.utoronto.ca/~femres/offiact.htm This is a feminist site where you can find an alternative vision about social and environmental issues Content: About WJHP-Toronto Women's Action Agenda 21 Take Action for Equality, Development and Peace: Environment Chapter Debt-for-Nature Swaps UNCED Debt Treaty "Women's struggle is about transforming the system altogether. Human and non-human life must be valued and supported as an end in itself and not simply as the means to profit; diverse forms of life, and differences among cultures, communities, peoples, and knowledge must be valued and supported even as their connections are celebrated. The revaluation of nature, women, and women's work is central to this valuing of life and diversity." --Women for a Just and Healthy Planet, 1995 ******Code of Environmental Ethics &Accountability******* Recognizing the current moral and ethical double standards that are applied to environment and development activities, women'sparticipation and social justice throughout the world, Recognizing that, in contrast, the women's global environmental model is cooperative rather than competitive, values women's roles, work and participation, and acknowledges the responsibility that accompanies power and is owed to future generations, Believing that a universal code of ethics and international law should be based on equity respect for humans and other species, andbiologic and cultural diversity, Distressed that policy planners and political representatives use barren instruments (systems of national accounts) on which to make all major economic and environmental decisions, Insisting that national boundaries should not impede the development of global concepts of the environment and responsibility on a global level, We will work for adoption of an International Code ofEnvironmental Conduct by business and industry, governments, UN agencies, and non-governmental organizations that includes precautionary and preventive approaches, considering the true value of the environment and the effect on women when planning activitiesthat may affect the Earth, We support new principles of internationa environmental law,including: strict liability for environmental harms (the polluter pays) , the intrinsic value of biodiversity, and non-adversarial dispute resolution mechanisms to include the public indecision-making about compensation for victims. We call for non-governmental monitoring systems that will hold institutions, corporations states, organizations, and individuals accountable for their actions, products, and policies. We demand time-use studies of women's wor (household, cottage industries, subsistence agriculture, child care, elder care,volunteer community service).

Subject Sharing Resources for Sanity... Date Fri Sep 21 00:20 Author Palika (fwd. by C. Walker & M. Record) (director@heavyhips.net)

Dear Friends, Blessings to all and hope that you an your loved ones are appreciating all the abundance in our lives. I've been feeling sad that so little alternatives to the knee jerk reactions and capitalist/conservative press are accessible to the masses re: the recent tragedy on US soil. Thus I've compiled a resource list, that you might be able to find reason amidst insanity and options for hope when you thought there were none. Writing letters and emails and articles feels good, so pass on this resource list. Also you might consider flying an Earth Flag, a Rainbow Flag or a United Nations Flag, see the links below. Lots of love to all, Palika -----------------------LINKS-------------------------------- (NOTE: These hyperlinks don't connect - you can find them listed on our "Activist Links" section ... Progressive Media ZMAG Viking Guide to Alt Med Alternative Media Links (independents) Be Guide to Alternative Media The Progressive Magazine The Nation Magazine NPR Monkey Fist Afghan Facts BBC Afghanistan Facts Afghan Network Afghan Landmines Palestine Facts This is the single most informative collection of facts I've seen to educate oneself to this issue: Palestine Facts. Palestine Media Watch Palestine Net land people culture Palestine UNorg Arab Culture arabnet countries&people of Arabia Al Mashriq The Levant Flags Flags (earth and united nations) Earth Flag Get Active Ruckus global exchange earth times Whole Earth

Subject SIGN 911-PEACE PETITION ASAP !!! Date Fri Sep 21 01:31 Author Sharon Block (fwd by M. Record) (sharon@iwearart.com)

Subject: peace petition This was an extremely easy petition to access. aloha nui, sharon Petition for a Thoughtful U.S. Response Please sign The Petition at- http://www.9-11peace.org/petition.php3 - which appeals to world leaders to be level-headed and, wherever possible, peaceful in their response to the recent attack against the United States. PLEASE FORWARD THIS MESSAGE TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. The signatures logged by the website above will be forwarded to leaders around the world.  Let us hope sane heads will prevail. >Collin Tong >Director of Westside Communications and Media Relations >Washington State University >520 Pike Street, Suite 1101 >Seattle, WA 98101-3916 >Tel: (206) 448-1333; Fax: (206) 448-1334 ____________________________________

Subject The Self cannot be pierced by weapons or burned by fire Date Fri Sep 21 01:40 Author Chris Walker (fwd by M. Record) ( mbara@pacbell.net)

The impermanent has no reality; reality lies in the eternal. Those who have seen the boundary between these two have attained the end of all knowledge. Realize that which pervades the universe and is indestructible; no power can affect this unchanging, imperishable reality...one man believes he is the slayer, another believes he is the slain. Both are ignorant; there is neither slayer nor slain. You were never born; and you will never die. You have never changed, you can never change. Unborn, eternal, immutable, immortal, you do not die when your body dies. Realizing that which is indestructible, eternal, unborn, and unchanging, how can you slay or cause another to slay?...The Self cannot be pierced by weapons or burned by fire, water cannot wet it, nor can the wind dry it. The Self cannot be pierced or burned, made wet or dry. It is everlasting and infinite, standing on the motionless foundations of eternity. The Self is unmanifested, beyond all thought, beyond all change. Knowing this you should not grieve. Bhagavad Gita 2:16-25.

Subject "Justice, not Terror" Date Fri Sep 21 01:47 Author Kim Atkinson(fwd by C. Walker/M. Record) (Kim@pulsewave.com)

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 3:46 PM Subject: "Justice, not Terror" statement confirmation > >Subject: "Justice, not Terror" statement confirmation Thank you for supporting the "Justice, not Terror" campaign. This campaign is based solely on word of mouth. It is CRUCIAL that you tell others. We've attached below a brief letter you can send to your email circle. Just copy and paste the text into your own email, then personalize the message. Your own words are always best. _____________________ Although our leaders are under tremendous pressure to act in the aftermath of the terrible events of Sept. 11th, it's important to let them know that we support justice, not escalating violence, which would only play into the terrorists' hands. I hope you'll join me in signing an online statement of support for "Justice, not Terror" at: http://www.moveon.org/justice/ Thank you. Your participation could really make a difference -- it's vital that we all speak up now, before it's too late. ____________________ Kim Atkinson PulseWave Percussion P.O. Box 703 Sebastopol, CA 95473 http://www.pulsewave.com

Subject WARNING:DANGEROUS VISIONS ! Date Author M. Record (tribalbeat@bigplanet.com)

Nostradamus Prediction in 1654: In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb, The third big war will begin when the big city is burning" =====Warning: Dangerous Visions===== It's amazing the commonality of thought amongst the "alternative" crowd. The first thing we did on Tuesday was try to look up the Nostradamus predictions. My daughter-in-law sent me a relevant one (she said she was sent it on the internet) and Amazon.com say the Nostradamus Book has been their #1 seller since Tuesday. (the quote above). I have absorbed a lot of info about the actual groups, leaders, and the history of the "Terrorism". Much was broadcast last week as "filler" because there were no people being "rescued" and they had to stop showing the images of destruction due to emotional overload by the public. It's a complicated story - quick synopsis: Russia vs. Afghanistan (10 years - 1 million Afghans killed/10,000+ Russians - their "Viet Nam" & key to downfall of Communism) - Osama bin Laden from RICH Saudi family comes to help Afghans - builds hospitals, buys food, gives humanitarian aid - is HERO. Islamic supporters from all neighboring countries come to fight Russia/oppressor, training is provided, with help of America (to bring down enemy Russia) including bin Laden working with CIA to train soldiers. After victory, Russians leave & Afghanistan starts persecuting "outsiders" who helped them win (??), so they flee to other nations that are fighting "civil wars"(like Kosovo). So that's how the terrorists are linked, are well-trained/experienced, and now are all over the world. (They're like Viet Nam vets). Osama bin Laden became pissed at America when they "invaded" Saudi Arabia during Gulf War (Saudi Arabis has highly sensitive Muslim religious sites that were "contaminated" by the infidels-U.S.), even though the Saudis freely work with the U.S. There are many cult-like fundamentalist Islamic groups/cells currently in operation that act independently, yet support each other because of their common beliefs/goals. They believe the international corporate world (represented by World Trade Center Towers) is exploiting "third world countries" and spreading the politics of greed (Satan), and is thereby their true enemy. Problem: Osama bin Laden is only the most recognized "zealot"... there are MANY individuals & small groups that can act because of their previous experience uniting to fight the Russians. In fact, one of the hijackers - Atta - actually looks like the mastermind of this operation. But because he's dead, we need to find someone else to punish. There are several things that really scare me right now: (1) Bush is totally inexperienced and his "Advisors" have no right to decide to declare a "world war" to retaliate for a single act of a few individuals without discussions of other options. They can only think Military-Bombs-Kill-Divine Retribution. (2) The media is only reporting "politically correct" info, patriotic being defined by "supporting the President". Everyone is afraid to say "stop-think-you're wrong-there are other choices". The only Congresswoman to vote against supporting war now has to have bodyguards. Which leads to... (3) Erosion of civil liberties and free speech. Destruction of the economy. Lack of Vision & true CITIZEN leadership. We are supposed to continue to be passive consumers...WE must rescue the economy by BUYING STUFF. They say we must be happy to give up "privacy" to prevent terrorists from killing again. (What about my privacy could have prevented those hijackings?) They are taking away tweezers from people at the airport. Where is the voice of reason & calm thought leading us to change the conditions that create terrorism (like lack of interest in Diplomatic relations, except for economics/corporate interests and the practice of using & supporting extremists when they fight OUR enemies) (4) Nothing has physically changed in America, except for the Trade Center coming down with extreme loss of life. Airports were affected, but restarting was delayed for too long (confusion, lack of leadership?). All else is mental. Now, the Congress has agreed to spend huge sums of money with little accountability to "help". People want to "do something" to feel better & help, but WHAT WILL REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE ? The Sad Truth... I'm afraid it might be too late for us to have a participatory democracy/republic in America...or anywhere in the world. I am afraid that Me, my husband, my family, my friends, and my community are now just pawns in the larger game with the "shots" being called by nameless figureheads of wealth & power (The "inner circles"). I'm afraid we have waited too long to build our organizations, have been too exclusive with our collaborations, been "too busy", didn't have enough time or money, had too many other problems to deal with, or just let it all pass by while we were "busy doing other things". I really am afraid we have gone past the point of no return. Now, we have to just "duck & cover"...waiting for the "bombs" to drop, while watching CNN so we'll know what's happening. How much collateral damage will WE experience? Well, to end this cynical essay on the state of our world, I do believe one thing for sure. WE ARE AT WAR. We ARE being Terrorized. America IS following the steps of Nazi Germany in their Hyper-patriotism, Banner-flying, lock-step, follow the leader, emotional Love of the idea of our "Pure" & Good "do no wrong" Nation-state. And we have the money & guns to prove that it is true. We are right, they are wrong. Yadda Yadda. We are at war. If we believe in another kind of living, of "giving Peace a Chance", of "Make Love, Not War", of protection of our civil liberties, of realizing that if we kill innocent civilians in other contries, that it is not okay because "we're right or the best or the richest or the biggest or our God is the only true God". If we have quoted such grand leaders as Ghandi & Martin Luther King - what we would we say to them now about our next action? We must become soldiers for PEACE - for a new spirit of Humanity. It's not "at our convenience" that we take action, but in spite of our incredible inconvenience. Like the rescue workers at the site of the Trade Center Towers, let us, too, rush in to work...for the alternative to war & killing. Let us love the sacrifice because this IS LIFE. The Sixties were beautiful because of the incredible awakening to the ideas of peace & harmony... planetary consciousness... honoring diversity... equal rights.... ecology... alternative energy.... healthy, natural foods.... Lately, we have just been consumers of this alternative culture, now we must truly LIVE THESE PRINCIPLES. Hold steadfast and speak loudly & clearly. Form large, visible expressions of these ideas. Put money & time into collective actions. Conspire, educate, and love what you are doing. Let's all work together. Let's go beyond e-mail... NEXT STEP Conversations. Let's throw out ideas for actions - and then really do them. I think the first step is to "come out of the closet" and send our thoughts to the MEDIA in mass because our politicians will not go against the "Emperor in his New Clothes". We must be brave and become articulate. Letters to the Editor - and not just the "Liberal" press. Let's just make a commitment to create the world we really want. Your ideas ? Melody Record Persevering Optimist

Subject BOMB THEM WITH BREAD Date Tue Sep 25 18:11 Author M. Record/C. Walker/Uqualla (tribalbeat@bigplanet.com)

Greetings ! I promise to send fresh ideas with an upbeat message from now on. As we have been out in the world doing our daily tasks, we have quietly been "polling" the "average" citizen we meet on what they think about our current political situation. We were surprised to find the same theme running through everyone's mind....they do not want to go to war - they are uncertain of the guilt of Osama bin Lauden and the focus on him - they don't want the military to hurt the innocent people of Afghanistan (whose world we see on tv to be bleak, at best) - and they don't really trust our "Leaders". They are waiting.......waiting for their future to unfold. A wife of one of the victims of the WTC stated on tv that she doesn't want to see us take a military action. This same request has been offerred from other families too ( just what do those polls represent when they show a 90% "approval rating"?). People are looking for fresh ideas and people who will speak them. I was glad to see the House Committee on Terrorism hold firm to slowing the passage of Ashcroft's latest legislation because it contained unconstitutional edits. The Reuters New Agency (one of the oldest in the world) has now refused to use the word "terrorist" to describe any person (because it is inflamatory - assumption of guilt - etc). The White House had to rename the "Operation to Fight World Terrorism" because it offended many Muslims. Also, the news media is asking piercing and direct questions since they are now well-educated as to the politics of the middle east. More info & pictures from Afghanistan, Pakistan, and other countries are reaching our airwaves, including comments directly from citizens of those countries. We are all getting smarter. Good ! Now we are becoming better Citizens. Here is a message passed to me from Chris Walker. I really like it & I'm sure you will too. Peace & Love M. Record ============================================= ============Chris's comments:=================== This was forwarded to me and it comes from a Navajo man called Uqualla who lives out in Arizona - you may not agree with his ideas, but it is at least refreshing to read a different 'take' on the current situation. ==========Forwarded Message from Uqualla============== Subject: Bomb them with butter, bribe them with hope. A military response, particularly an attack on Afghanistan, is exactly what the terrorists want. It will strengthen and swell their small but fanatical ranks. Instead, bomb Afghanistan with butter, with rice, bread, clothing and medicine. It will cost less than conventional arms, poses no threat of US casualties and just might get the populace thinking that maybe the Taliban don't have the answers. After three years of drought and with starvation looming, let's offer the Afghani people the vision of a new future. One that includes full stomachs. Bomb them with information. Video players and cassettes of world leaders, particularly Islamic leaders, condemning terrorism. Carpet the country with magazines and newspapers showing the horror of terrorism committed by their "guest". Blitz them with laptop computers and DVD players filled with a perspective that is denied them by their government. Saturation bombing with hope will mean that some of it gets through. Send so much that the Taliban can't collect and hide it all. The Taliban are telling their people to prepare for Jihad. Instead, let's give the Afghani people their first good meal in years. Seeing your family fully fed and the prospect of stability in terms of food and a future is a powerful deterrent to martyrdom. All we ask in return is that they, as a people, agree to enter the civilized world. That includes handing over terrorists in their midst. In responding to terrorism we need to do something different. Something unexpected..something that addresses the root of the problem. We need to take away the well of despair, ignorance and brutality from which the Osama bin Laden's of the world water their gardens of terror. ((((((((((((((((((((((*Please pass this along.)))))))))))))))))))))) It is important that we learn to think in NEW ways. If we continue attacking in the old ways we will get the same old results. Look at what has been happening the middle east for thousands of years to see what we can expect if we attack with bombs and military force. Do we want to live a life of fear as people in the middle east do? ==================End of Message===================

Subject about polls Date Fri Mar 19 2004 12:05 Author unknown (don't care)

the problem with polls is that people can adjust them to go in favor of their means. i think getting rid of sadam and al queada was a good thing. sure we could have done it different, but we had to do it. besides, these two were evil. al qadea (sorry, can't spell) trained terrorists and if we didn't go to war with them, a dirty bomb could have been placed in New York for all we know. Sadam may not weapons of mass destruction, but he killed millions of his people. we had to put him out of office. war wasn't the only answer in this one though. but a lot of the countries that are mad at america for going to war with iraq ( like the french) are only made because they were selling weapons and getting plutonium from the country of Iraq. my proof comes from the news. Opinion polls show almost 80% of people in France are against a US-led war against Iraq. Many of those see American military and economic aims in Iraq as one and the same thing. America's critics claim that America's policy on Iraq is driven by its appetite for oil. But could similar claims be made about France? Power games During the late 1970s, French companies started work on the Tamuz One nuclear reactor near Baghdad - designed to produce plutonium - and on a second reactor, Tamuz Two. Mr Chirac has extensive links with Baghdad The first was destroyed by Israeli fighter bombers in 1981. During the Iran-Iraq war, France was soon supplying Iraq with top level military hardware of its own. All told, France sold some $25bn-worth of weaponry to Iraq before the UN embargo was imposed after the Gulf War. A report commissioned by the French parliament published last September puts the value of French exports to Iraq since sanctions were imposed at $3.5bn. Agnes Levallois, a specialist in business in the Middle East, cites the example of French pharmaceutical firms, all of whom she says sell antibiotics and other basic medicines in Iraq. Oil the spur In July 2001, when relations chilled, Saddam froze these companies' contracts, but renewed them once diplomatic relations thawed. Even in 2001, France sold Iraq $650m-worth of goods, more than any other country, and was the Western country with the largest number of stands at last November's Baghdad Trade Fair. But above all, the French are interested in Iraqi oil. Nicolas Sarkis, of Arab Oil and Gas magazine, says France's state-controlled TotalFinaElf is poised to win contracts to drill the largest unexploited oil reserves in the world.

Subject about polls Date Fri Mar 19 2004 12:05 Author unknown (don't care)

the problem with polls is that people can adjust them to go in favor of their means. i think getting rid of sadam and al queada was a good thing. sure we could have done it different, but we had to do it. besides, these two were evil. al qadea (sorry, can't spell) trained terrorists and if we didn't go to war with them, a dirty bomb could have been placed in New York for all we know. Sadam may not weapons of mass destruction, but he killed millions of his people. we had to put him out of office. war wasn't the only answer in this one though. but a lot of the countries that are mad at america for going to war with iraq ( like the french) are only made because they were selling weapons and getting plutonium from the country of Iraq. my proof comes from the news. Opinion polls show almost 80% of people in France are against a US-led war against Iraq. Many of those see American military and economic aims in Iraq as one and the same thing. America's critics claim that America's policy on Iraq is driven by its appetite for oil. But could similar claims be made about France? Power games During the late 1970s, French companies started work on the Tamuz One nuclear reactor near Baghdad - designed to produce plutonium - and on a second reactor, Tamuz Two. Mr Chirac has extensive links with Baghdad The first was destroyed by Israeli fighter bombers in 1981. During the Iran-Iraq war, France was soon supplying Iraq with top level military hardware of its own. All told, France sold some $25bn-worth of weaponry to Iraq before the UN embargo was imposed after the Gulf War. A report commissioned by the French parliament published last September puts the value of French exports to Iraq since sanctions were imposed at $3.5bn. Agnes Levallois, a specialist in business in the Middle East, cites the example of French pharmaceutical firms, all of whom she says sell antibiotics and other basic medicines in Iraq. Oil the spur In July 2001, when relations chilled, Saddam froze these companies' contracts, but renewed them once diplomatic relations thawed. Even in 2001, France sold Iraq $650m-worth of goods, more than any other country, and was the Western country with the largest number of stands at last November's Baghdad Trade Fair. But above all, the French are interested in Iraqi oil. Nicolas Sarkis, of Arab Oil and Gas magazine, says France's state-controlled TotalFinaElf is poised to win contracts to drill the largest unexploited oil reserves in the world.

Subject Stories/Chart/Personal Comments - 9/11/2001 Date Wed Sep 26 20:29 Author M. Record/CR. Brezsny(FreeWillAstrology) (http:/www.freewillastrology.com)

The Fray Day collective of storytellers, poets, and writers checks in on the Sept. 11 tragedy with their own personal tales, here: MISSING PIECES: http://fray.com/hope/pieces/ ----------------------------------------------------------->>> Rob's colleague, the astrologer Antero Alli (also the co-creator of the Vertical Oracle tarot cards that grace Rob's Web site) looks at the current Saturn/Pluto oppositions marking our skies and declares that it's time to define yourself or be defined. Which will you chose? CHART: http://www.labridge.com/z/wiseguy/satpluto.html -------------------------------------------------------->>>>> YOUR WORDS. Time heals some things, including an editor's reluctance to tackle hundreds of e-mails. Below we offer the most universal compendium we could collect of your thoughts and words, sent after the Sept. 11 disaster: -----> "Living in New York where the air is heavy with sadness, we have become family and there is love. If this is the time for us to welcome eternity, then it will be in love." -- MEGAN "Our response can be new: How about we respect each other and all life? How about we act like powerful intelligent beings creating a humane world? How about we do something unprecedented in the pursuit of serenity? All of us. Each of us. Every day. Ask what one thing can I do today and do it." --AJ "Let us pray every day to our Gods remembering, as my dad has taught me since childhood,that Christ was not a Christian, Mohammed was not a Mohammedan, Buddha was not a Buddhist,and Krishna was not a Hindu." -- GOTHAM CHOPRA "I think that we in Europe, far away from the horrible things happening, cannot do much more than express our feelings with the people being hurt by the most incredible thing in the last 100 years. We were shocked and felt lost, as we could do nothing to help anyone at the area of disaster. Our feelings are with you and anyone touched by this. Tell us if we can do anything to help except feeling with you." -- MARIANNE, Denmark "My son commented that in any shake-up, what comes out is what's in there -- maybe it is an opportunity to face the knee jerk anger, fear, hate that causes us to make war individually or collectively." -- HELEN "True power is not measured in explosive megatons, fleets of fighter jets, or number of bullets, but in our ability to transcend heated emotions to make a clear, conscious decision." -- MATTHEW "The invisible wall of protection that I have claimed as my right has been punctured and I am suddenly aware that I am vulnerable to the same insecurities as everyone else in the world. It is a shocking wake-up call." -- MERRI "Having grown up in Canada as a fully assimilated Egyptian immigrant female, the events of Sept 11. 2001 affected me personally on many levels. . . . I've just met a non-Arab man who I was thinking was potentially a life mate who has stopped communicating with me since the identities of the terrorists were confirmed. Coincidence?" -- MG "I was actually on a conference call with the World Trade Center at the time of the first crash. I heard the panic and confusion first hand. This is not only an attack on America; it is an abomination of humanity. Every day I search for some way to find the greater good of this. Every section of my life is infested by this sorrow. Friends, family, and co-worker are all intertwined in its chaos. Everyday is a sigh of relief because someone can finally contact you, and everyday is a deep sliver of sorrow, because there are others you know that won't be found. I feel anger at those who performed this, and fear for the innocent ones who will pay for the evil of others." -- MICHA "Even if it does ultimately require military action to squelch terrorism, we should see it not as a war to defeat someone or something, but as a war to establish world peace. An effort to create rather than to destroy." -- LAURIE "My hope is that the powers that be in America do not use this as an excuse to start bombing/attacking Arab countries and will use restraint and integrity in their search for those responsible. They do need to be found and punished." -- KAREN, New Zealand "I see a great wave of love headed your way from all over the world, even from people who thought of themselves as your enemies. This is too much even for them. The illusion of separateness is shattered. Only last week I thought humanity wasn't going to make it. Now I am filled with hope." -- RUSSEL, Cape Town, South Africa "No life seems ordinary now; no face, no human, no animal, is something taken for granted. All interchanges are miraculous, and if I can let the seed that has been implanted in my heart grow and blossom, if I can deepen my commitment to the truth, then those souls who have sacrificed their lives will have showered down the deepest blessings upon us." -- KAREN, Nova Scotia "I'm still crying, feeling for the people who have lost people, and their whole sense of the world, but I'm not mad. I don't think I will be mad. Somewhere in my sad cynical heart, something cracked open, and the pattern changed, and I am a different person than I was before." -- ERIN "People here in [Washington] D.C. are back at work and about their daily business, not because they don't care about the people who died, but because they do. If I stay in my home, bunkered in and watching the freak show on TV, the evil men who do this achieve their objective. If I go out in the world and carry on, a small act of indomitability is rendered. I am witnessing these small acts of courage all around me, every minute." -- LIZ "Are United Sates citizens stalwart enough to carry on, doing business as usual? Undoubtedly. Are we courageous enough to stop, ask real questions, and face the truth that arises in response?" -- ELLA "Here in Australia we send out our thoughts and love to all those affected by this and hope that the healing process can begin for all concerned." -- GUY "I'm writing this to tell you to cherish every minor annoyance, to embrace each small impediment, to rejoice in the paper cuts and traffic jams. . . Whatever happens, I am grateful to have lived in this time, in this life. I am grateful for this sleepless night and this fear. I know at this moment how fortunate I am -- we all are -- to have so very much to lose." -- TAMEA "Even my skin hurts today. " -- GC

	Subject DON'T PRESS THE PANIC BUTTON ! Date Author Dave Kopel/National Review Online (http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel092101.shtml)
Dave discusses the scary possibility of losing our constitutional rights under the guise of fighting terrorism. Read his article here: http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel092101.shtml Also - links to other interesting articles on this website.

Subject APOCALYPSE NOW Date Thu Sep 27 22:32 Author Rob Brezsny /via M. Record (zenpride@home.com)

This is a heart-felt statement by a kindred spirit...it reeks of honesty and truth. It is REAL in its unconventionality. Well worth a reading...highly recommended. APOCALYSE NOW by Rob Brezsny http://www.freewillastrology.com/allsigns_032300/b+t_037.shtml SAMPLE: "Now and then a single riveting event transfixes our collective emotions, driving millions of us deep into a visceral realization of just how fragile our hold is on life's sweet mysteries. For a brief interlude, the covert, slow-motion upheaval explodes into plain view; the hidden truth becomes an open secret." - Rob / Apocalypse Now Rob's Website: http://www.freewillastrology.com

Subject Message on Energy Emergency from Robert Redford Date Tue Nov 06 17:33 Author Robert Redford & NRDC /via M. Record (http://www.savebiogems.org/redford.asp)

Dear Friend, It is understandable that we Americans feel an almost reflexive need for unanimity in trying times like these. As a nation, we are rightly consumed with responding to the terrorist attacks on September 11th. But, at some point -- and I think we're beginning to get there -- we need to take a long-term view even as we are reacting to the current crisis. Really important domestic issues facing us before all of this happened -- education, energy and the environment, health care -- still have the same dimension and consequence. But we have to recognize that it's much more difficult to discuss and debate them in the aftermath of Sept. 11th. Unfortunately, disagreement is sometimes characterized as unpatriotic during times such as these and open, thoughtful discourse is somewhat muted. The gravity of the current situation is not lost on any of us and we all want to do what's right to insure our national security. It is with this in mind that I felt compelled to write you today. A handful of determined U.S. senators, encouraged by the White House, are arguing that national security requires the Senate to rush a pro-oil energy bill into law. They have vowed to hold up normal Senate business and attach the bill to every piece of legislation that comes to the Senate floor. So far they have failed in what The Boston Globe is calling "oil opportunism." But with President Bush, himself, now calling for rushed passage of this disastrous bill, intense pressure is building on Senate leaders to succumb to the emotions of the moment. Using our national tragedy as an opportunity to advance the narrow interests of the oil lobby would not be in the best interest of the public. This bill, already passed by the House, would not only open the Arctic Refuge to oil rigs, it would also pave the way for energy companies to exploit and destroy pristine areas of Greater Yellowstone and other gems of our natural heritage. As important, it would do nothing to address energy security. I'm asking for your immediate help in stopping this legislation. After reading my letter I hope you'll take action at http://www.savebiogems.org/arctic/index.asp?src=ab0110a and then forward this letter to your friends and colleagues. Last spring, the Bush administration and some members of Congress said we had to pass the president's oil-friendly energy bill because we were facing the most serious energy crisis since 1973. But here we are, a mere six months later, and the energy crisis has vanished. Due to a slowing economy and falling demand, the prices for gasoline, natural gas and home heating oil have plunged. Meanwhile, the much-feared "summer of blackouts" in California never happened, largely because consumers and businesses made dramatic cuts in energy use by launching the most successful statewide conservation campaign in history. With no energy crisis to scare us with, the administration and pro-oil senators are now promoting their "Drill the Arctic" plan under the guise of national security and energy independence. Don't buy it. It would take ten years to bring Arctic oil to market, and when it arrives it would never equal more than two percent -- a mere drop in the bucket -- of all the oil we consume each year. Our nation simply doesn't have enough oil to drill our way to energy independence or even to affect world oil prices. We possess a mere 3 percent of the world's oil reserves, but we consume fully 25 percent of the world's oil supply. We could drill the Arctic Refuge, Greater Yellowstone, and every other wildland in America and we'd still be importing oil, still be paying worldwide prices for domestic oil, and still be vulnerable to wild gyrations in price and supply. As The Atlanta Constitution put it: "Burning through our tiny oil supply faster will not make our country more secure." I'd go further: increasing our dependence on oil, whether that oil comes from the Persian Gulf or the Arctic Refuge, practically guarantees national *insecurity*. And we know that it will bring more habitat destruction, more oil spills, more air pollution, and more global warming. The public health implications will be devastating. If our nation wants to declare energy independence, then we have no choice but to reduce our appetite for oil. There's no other way. We need to rely on smarter and cleaner ways to power our economy. We have the technology right now to increase fuel economy standards to 40 miles per gallon. If we phased in that standard by 2012 we'd save 15 times more oil than the Arctic Refuge is likely to produce over 50 years. We could also give tax rebates for existing hybrid gas-electric vehicles that get as much as 60 mpg. We could invest in public transit. We could launch an "Apollo Project" to bring fuel cells and hydrogen fuel down to earth, allowing us to begin the mass production of vehicles that emit only water as a by-product. The list goes on and on. In this climate of national trauma and war, it is up to us -- the people -- to ensure that reason prevails and our natural heritage survives intact. The preservation of irreplaceable wildlands like the Arctic Refuge and Greater Yellowstone is a core American value. I have never been more appreciative of the wisdom of that value than during these past few weeks. When we are filled with grief and unanswerable questions it is often nature that we turn to for refuge and comfort. In the sanctuary of a forest or the vastness of the desert or the silence of a grassland, we can touch a timeless force larger than ourselves and our all-too-human problems. This is where the healing begins. Those who would sell out this natural heritage -- this spiritual heritage -- would destroy a wellspring of American strength. What's worse, their rush to exploit the wildness that feeds our souls won't do a thing to solve our energy problems. There are plenty of sensible and patriotic ways to guarantee our nation's energy security, but destroying the Arctic Refuge is not one of them. Please tell that to your senators. They urgently need to hear it because the pressure is on to move this pro-oil bill to a vote in the next few weeks. It will take you only a minute to send them an electronic message from NRDC's SaveBioGems website. Go to http://www.savebiogems.org/arctic/index.asp?src=ab0110a And please forward this message to your family and friends. Millions of Americans need to know about this cynical attempt to promote the interests of energy companies at the expense of everyone else. Sincerely yours, Robert Redford =====

Subject reply to Energy Emergency Date Fri Apr 4 2003 21:00 Author Mr. J.B. Wheeler (amf@beanstalk.net)

Please Mr. Redford, regail me with your educational background which qualifies you to make such statements. Or perhaps you would be willing to share with us, the un-bias entity from which you aquire this information. It would appear to me that being as it would take approx. 10 years for the oil to get to market as you stated in your letter, the wise action would be to drill as soon as possible. Who knows what will happen in the next 10 years? If we wait and have something happens in the next 5 years that would require us to drill in the arctic, we will be forced to wait for another 10 years. Can you tell me when would be a good time to predict the a problem of this nature 10 years down the road so that we can get a handle on it before it happens?

Subject WHY - Purgative event on 9/11/ 2001 in New York (301). Date Sat Dec 8 01:50: Author www.universe-people.com File: people_e.gif

1508. Purgative event on 9/11/ 2001 in New York (301). (Received by Ivo A. Benda) 9/14/2001 9:02 - 9:41 A.M. Place : Ceska Lipa, Czech Republic Dear Ivo, sincerely greeting you, me, Ashtar - commander of a Grand cosmic squadron. Yes, I'm glad that you put together this way and I can hand over the new information. As we informed you, earthly humankind, many times in hundreds of our messages, on basis of YOUR CHOISES - earthly humankind - the purgative processes of planet Earth are proceeding. She purifies more and more of a coarse vibration energies, these are partly thoughts of negative people which are aired and partly originators themselves - planet Earth than moves theirs souls to other dimensions and darker worlds this way, where they will have a number of choices in their lives, where to go, whether further - deeper into the dark worlds (they are many), or back home - to the Light - to the True Creation - heaven - where is an infinite number of various worlds. Now we are witnesses one of stages of the purgative processes, and no one of you can't imagine, how much coarse vibrations - negative thoughts - emitted the crew of "Titanic" - The Twins (WTC) - for the 28 years their existence, and how much woe had been caused to the other people and to the planet Earth this way. It simply was one of the strongest coarse energy radiators on the planet Earth. It signifies not, those, who bodily erased this coarse vibration center, are "the saints" and led by the Light. Here holds the well-known rule - the Dark will destroy itself. Herewith you can take a note, how all the media are under baton of negative aliens again - the pseudocreators and the saurians - they widely used their control posts and massively deluged billions of human senses by their coarse energy control programs - energies. Thereby these people being more manageable, declining vibrations themselves and being in a even stronger trap of the negative state. There have been invited a lot of people of various professions into media (chats after the attack), but as you have mentioned yourself, just very spiritual - amorous people weren't there. It isn't by chance, those are unacceptable for their time-proven programs of evil and fear. It's like this your "democracy". Rank of people have founded out already, they are in low water, exactly in accordance with an esoteric energy principle - "IDENTICAL POLARIZES IDENTICAL" - so "WHAT YOU ARE EMITING, THIS YOU ARE GETTING BACK AS WELL", only the time of return is differ (because of edification). Yes, then what someone inseminates, so is it reaped, whether evil or good - thereabouts no difference. That is why, dear Ivo, try to emit the good and the love further to reap the good and the love too - and you are on the right way because you're feeling what you're reaping yourself. Yes, the time has gone ahead, there will be another events and you on the mission of light, you're primarily the soothers with your love and humility, harmony and peace. Your open hearts will generate a "salvage net" to those who will capture. There's no need to watch those coarse shots in media all round, it's enough just let informed and go on the way of light - the right one. You have the inner guidance and so you're not referred to an outer means of communication. Thereby those, who are left to the coarse energy media, will further get through into a still deeper abyss, what they have prepared themselves in cooperation with saurians and pseudocreators coming from the hells. Stay forceful within these last days of the old world and daily sense the right time of your recall - elevation of vibrations (the ascension) to a 5th dimension of the planet Earth. There you'll be able to fully live in amorous world and help those, who are getting through into the abyss at the same time. Dear Ivo, this message was given to you by Ashtar - the commander of the Grand cosmic squadron." "And now me Ptaah, the commander of the Cosmic squadron from Pleiades, I'm joining. Yes, I also heartily greeting you and wishing fine amorous day with floods of love, which I'm sending to you. You are longing for the New Earth in the 5th dimension, I now, your point of outgoing is coming day by day, the events of final partition getting a fast drift and everything accelerates. Who didn't use a time to work on, now easily turns into a toy - puppet of saurians and is unfortunately directed to the darker worlds than the planet Earth in the 3rd and in 4th dimension at the present. Yes, we-all Cosmic people are sending love to terrestrials all the time and helping those who are wondering. Yes, we know it from many other planets where the negative state came to final showdown, such a theatre isn't unknown for us. These control programs of the 2nd side are established for billions of years and already proved on a number of alternative planets. But we-all, your brothers and sisters are helping people who are turning very truly to God - the Creator Primary or to us, beings of the Light. But we are able to help only to those of callers, who are trying to live in harmony with the divine order, themselves. The "ruthless capital men" don't belonging among these - those, who are knifing masses of other people of energy and that's where they're in effect most successful. Between those comes generally the staff of 400 firms in the Twins, which were nonexisting since the morning of 9/11/ 2001. Yes, none of those who are tampering the divine order will feel safe anywhere after this another Dark forces action. Namely it's the revenge which has been chosen by them. Just emanate the love and the humility, the harmony and the good farther, brothers and sisters of the Light, because your positive emanation will select you within these final days of the partition of humankind in the progress to the higher creation. Yes, the rain in the Czech country remains with a small intervals for a week yet, since Friday the 9/7/2001, of purpose to clean up your air to the limit in advance before the 9/11/2001, in order the next coarse vibration floods (broaden by media into the senses of controlled people) absorb easily and can clean up new coarse vibrations of those people who are supplied by media and airing it on - over 90% of people ! (note: the constant rain took about a month finally ...) Because here in the Czech country there is a relatively greatest percentage of folks on the light mission, so this is a help you from our beloved the Creator Primary of all and of all. Yes, be still sure on the way of light in the future and further emanate the love and the harmony - be the lightly port in this stormy sea of the last days. Thousands of brothers and sisters in our ships everywhere above you are sending love and crossing fingers for fulfilling your light missions. This was told to you with love and delight by Ptaah, the commander of the cosmic squadron from Pleiades. Thank you beloved light friends, thank you the Creator Primary for all the help. Ivo with love. www.universe-people.com www.universe-people.cz

	Subject v Date Wed Mar 31 2004 09:43 Author Chris (chris@nukeiraq.com)
What the fuck are you babbling about?

Subject THE RAGE OF ISLAM Date Thu Jan 17 16:13 Author Dinesh D'Souza (via M. Record) (letters@redherring.com)

The Rage of Islam. Our inability to understand terrorists and their deep grudge against us is a serious problem By Dinesh D'Souza January 14, 2002 The vehemence underlying the September 11 terrorist attacks on the United States has left many Americans wondering, "What did we do to them?" Our inability to understand terrorists and their deep grudge against us is a serious problem. Behind the physical attacks of September 11 lies an intellectual attack--an attack on the United States and what it stands for. Unfortunately, many people persist in treating the conflict as a battle against a bunch of wimps and crazy people. Appearing recently on Bill Maher's TV show, Politically Incorrect, I said we should not underestimate the terrorists by calling them cowards. The ensuing discussion created unexpected controversy. Of course the terrorists were cowards, angry callers and emailers informed me; only cowards target women and children. But this argument doesn't work here. Usually cowards pick on the vulnerable because they don't want to risk harm to themselves. The terrorists, however, faced certain death with apparent equanimity. They can be likened to the Japanese kamikazes; they are fanatics, but they aren't wimps. Taking up the issue, TV host Bill O'Reilly said the terrorists cannot be considered brave, because they are insane. They expect martyrdom to be followed by heavenly bliss, with countless nubile virgins attending to them. Mr. O'Reill considered this belief "nuts." I do not agree with this lunacy theory. If we released a bunch of mental patients from an asylum, could they pull off what the terrorists did? The terrorists were educated people from well-off families who were exposed to the Western way of life. They knew how to fly planes. To dismiss them so readily is irrational and reckless. There was a time in history when the West understood its Islamic foe. Historian Bernard Lewis, in his book Islam and the West (Oxford University Press, 1993), points out that during the Crusades, the Christians and the Muslims faced each other as familiar opponents. Both espoused universalistic religions that made an exclusive claim on truth. Each of them used the same term, infidel, with the same meaning, to describe the other. But a lot has happened since the 12th century. Western civilization has been convulsed by massive changes, including the Renaissance, the Reformation, the Enlightenment, and the Industrial Revolution. The Islamic world, by contrast, has seen none of these transformations. While contemporary science is enriched by the contributions of China and India, for example, the contribution from the Islamic world remains negligible. Thus, a religious civilization that has never known separation of church and state--where democracy is scarce, schools teach nothing but the Koran, and mullahs order people flogged and pronounce death sentences--confronts in the United States a very different type of civilization. Moreover, American culture is spreading rapidly and contagiously worldwide. What seems to disturb these terrorists is not just that the rest of the world wants U.S. technology, but also that the United States is exporting its ideas: human rights and human dignity, democratic accountability, checks and balances, private property, and free trade. Even more: the young people of the world are attracted to the U.S. notion of writing the script for your own life. See the African village boy, seemingly outside the orbit of Western influence, who sports a Baltimore Orioles baseball cap. Walk into a hotel in Karachi or Cairo, and the bellhop is whistling the theme song from Titanic. The true believers of Islam, by contrast, are on the defensive. They know their way of life holds no appeal outside of their religious precinct. They see that many other cultures are attempting selective Americanization, but they fear that this is an illusion, that bringing in Western ideas and institutions will fundamentally transform their society, undermining its religious and traditional basis of authority. Islamic activists fear these things, and in this they are completely correct. Americans should realize that freedom is a subversive idea. And those of us who inhabit a commercial, technological society based on freedom of trade, speech, and religion should understand that our system produces a person who is very different from one produced by Islam. This type of person is the moral issue in this conflict. We are under assault because of the kind of people we are, and we are at war because we believe that our principles and our way of life are worth defending. - Dinesh D'Souza Dinesh D'Souza's next book, What's So Great About America, will be published next spring. He is the Rishwain Fellow at the Hoover Institution. From RED HERRING (http://events.redherring.com/insider/2002/0114/886.html) Jan-2002

Subject Muslim attitudes Date Wed Apr 2 2003 20:52 Author Jim (D.Poole@kudos-idd.com)

I have a Muslim friend who genuinely believes that America is the most evil nation on earth. He genuinely believes that Osama bin Ladin is a freedom fighter who was not responsible for 911. Some of the things he believes about America are the most blatant anti-American propaganda. And yet he has American friends! As you say he is well educated with a masters degree, from a well off background and was born in the West. This defies logic and I'm not sure how an intelligent and generous person can have such contradictory attitudes. I am a great believer in God but I find religion a curse. Having read the Koran it does say that men will approach you under the guise of God and yet be working for satan and I can't help thinking that religion is satans way of corrupting the word of God!

	Subject Not just Muslims. Date Sun Nov 16 2003 22:44 Author Skye
I am an Australian and I know Christian Australians who think that the US is evil and Bush is satan incrnate, so you see this is not an idea confined to islam. Let's not tar all muslims with the same brush! I don't like people to look at me as an Aussie and think that I am a typical stereotype and I'm sure you wouldn't like it either.

Subject BRINGING OUT THE DEAD (In Afghanistan) Date Fri Jan 25 00:47 Author Bill Berkowitz (posted by M. Record) (AlterNet )

Bring Out Your Dead Bill Berkowitz, WorkingForChange.com January 23, 2002 As the seasons changed and the leaves started falling, Marc Herold gave up the outdoors and hunkered down with his computer. Since late October, Herold has been spending close to 12 hours a day methodically monitoring a number of Internet websites, tracking reports of civilian casualties caused by the U.S. bombing of Afghanistan. Herold, a professor of economics and women's studies at the University of New Hampshire, told WorkingForChange that he was disturbed by the U.S. media's lack of interest in and its quick dismissal of reports of large number of civilian casualties. Herold also said "friends convinced me that since I have been putting together databases for more than thirty years, that I was the right person for the job," If the U.S. government refuses to count them, the mainstream media won't investigate or report on them, and if Americans aren't told or just don't care, does it mean that the thousands of civilian casualties caused by the bombing of Afghanistan haven't happened? Herold's study, which systematically tracks civilian deaths in Afghanistan caused by U.S. bombing raids, is remarkable as an undertaking by one dedicated individual. That none of America's huge media organizations have bothered to take on this work is disgraceful. Unveiled in early December, and updated regularly since then, Herold's study has been well-received by alternative media organizations, groups concerned about Bush's war on terrorism, a number of mainstream international media outlets in Canada, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and by thousands of Internet users around the world. The media of denial -- the U.S. media -- largely ignored the study at first. Now that the report is garnering some attention, it has been criticized or labeled "controversial" in mainstream media reports. (Instead of completely trashing someone's work, you can cast a shadow over its veracity by calling it "controversial.") A mid-January San Francisco Chronicle editorial went one step beyond "controversial" -- calling Herold's report severely flawed because it "relied heavily on hearsay and second-hand reports from unreliable sources such as the Afghan Islamic Press, which is essentially a propaganda outlet for the Taliban, as well as pro-Taliban Pakistani newspapers." No news is good news The U.S. government has avoided the question of civilian casualties. It's a messy subject -- a diversion and a waste of time and energy. General Tommy Franks, the "architect" of the U.S. campaign in Afghanistan has said: "We decided early on that if we were to take each of the speculations that comes out and spend our time trying to describe the error of each speculation, we'd have little time to do anything else. And so all of us have opted to not do that." Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld prefers to put a positive spin on the U.S.'s conduct in the war: "There probably has never in the history of the world been a conflict that has been done as carefully, and with such measure, and care, and with such minimal collateral damage to buildings and infrastructure, and with such small numbers of unintended civilian casualties." Two questions are worth asking: Is the study an accurate accounting of civilian casualties? Does anyone in the U.S. care? Tracking the data Herold's "A Dossier on Civilian Victims of United States' Aerial Bombing of Afghanistan: A Comprehensive Accounting," is a meticulous compilation of reports from dozens of sources. In his conclusion to the study he speaks directly to the accuracy question: "Naturally, some might seek to dismiss parts or all of the report by attacking the sources employed. But, to do so would mean having to accuse news agencies from many countries, reporters from many countries, and newspapers from many countries of lying. We have sought to cite whenever possible multiple sources. The specific, detailed stories provided by victims, on-lookers, and refugees lend credibility." Among the sources Herold scours regularly are British, Canadian, Australian and Indian newspapers, including The Times of India; three Pakistani dailies; the Singapore News; Afghan Islamic Press; Agence France Press; Pakistan News Service; Reuters; BBC News Online; Al Jazeera; and a variety of other sources, including the United Nations and other relief agencies. Herold reported that 3,767 civilians were killed from October 7 to December 6; the updated numbers now stand at 4,000 to 4,100 deaths. (For the full report,see " An Average Day: 65 Afghan Civilians Killed by U.S. Bombs on December 20th" -- and for a complete accounting of civilian casualties, see " Appendix 4: Daily Casualty Count of Afghan Civilians Killed in U.S. Bombing Attacks, October 7 Until Present Day.") (http://www.workingforchange.com/) "I think this [the numbers] really flies in the face of the message directed to the American public, which was that we had these precision-guided munitions and there would be some collateral damage, but we shouldn't worry too much about it because we have these precision-guided weapons," Herold has said. "In fact the figure I came up with is a very, very conservative estimate," he told a radio interviewer. "I think that a much more realistic figure would be around 5,000. You know for Afghanistan, 3,700 to 5,000 is a really substantial number." Herold told WorkingForChange that if anything, he errs on the side of being conservative about his estimates of the number killed. Negligent and derelict According to the Sydney Morning Herald, "Dr. Herold's report received extensive coverage in the European media but almost no mention in the American press, which has struggled with defining a role in this conflict that is patriotic but still objective. Recently, serious media have begun to look at the suffering of Afghan civilians, but the issue is so emotional that many media outlets have chosen silence." If letters to the editor are any reflection of public opinion, it is clear that many people prefer not to think about civilian casualties in Afghanistan. And those pundits who do comment are often caught up in "war is hell" clichés. Michael Barone, longtime conservative commentator, columnist and Fox News pundit expressed this most clearly: "Civilian casualties are not news. The fact is that they accompany wars." Why aren't Americans interested in hearing about civilian casualties? "I think that when the disaster happened there was shock, fear, confusion and anger," Herold said. "I think that there was an incredible confusion and fear and the administration played to those feelings very well in terms of galvanizing support for a revenge action. Revenge ends when the government perceives they have eliminated al Qaeda. And this will be a very long time." What will it take for the American people to care about the number of Afghan civilian casualties? "If at some point the International Red Cross or the United Nations starts raising a fuss over the numbers of dead civilians, then things might change," Herold said. "A half-a-dozen more incidents might cause the administration trouble." Herold says he will continue collecting and disseminating the data until the bombing of civilians ends: "I will keep adding to the site on a regular basis, and I hope that it does become a major story. There are such gross cases of the violation of the rules of war -- little villages are getting destroyed, wiped off the face of the earth. The U.S. is bombing places over and over again that might at one time have had al Qaeda camps, but are now completely destroyed. "It is an extermination campaign aimed at eliminating al Qaeda and the Taliban. Unfortunately, it looks like the U.S. will be moving this war on to Sudan and Somalia." And as the war on terrorism shifts to other countries, you can count on there being more civilian casualties. Reprinted from Alternet (http://www.alternet.org/index.html)

Subject The Vietnam Syndrome is Alive & Thriving Date Tue Jan 29 15:00 Author Mark Weisbrot (via Alternet & M.Record) (http://www.alternet.org/feedback.html)

"Vietnam Syndrome" Is Alive And Thriving 01-25-02 By Mark Weisbrot AlterNet Politicians and journalists have interpreted widespread support for the military actions in Afghanistan as a significant shift in Americans' attitudes toward war. In the weeks following the massacre of September 11, Vice President Dick Cheney described the crowd's reaction to a speech he made in New York: "There wasn't a dove in the room," he said with a smile. This isn't the first time in the post-Vietnam era that our leaders have made such pronouncements. "By God, we've kicked the Vietnam syndrome once and for all," President George Bush the First declared in 1991, in the wake of the Persian Gulf War. But their words are starkly contradicted by their own actions. In every military action since Vietnam, our politicians and generals have been extremely reluctant to risk American military casualties. In the Persian Gulf War, there were more soldiers killed in training and accidents (including "friendly fire") than at the hands of enemy troops. In the war over Kosovo we did not lose even a single pilot. The murder of thousands of civilians in the worst terrorist action ever on American soil seems not to have changed this part of the "Vietnam syndrome" at all. The US military has fought this war, like the others, from the air. Our planes now bomb from altitudes so high that the fighters and civilians below cannot even see them. When it came time to search the caves of Tora Bora for Osama and his friends, US officials started talking about "the right mix of incentives" (money, weapons) to get Afghans to do the job. From the safety and calm of their armchairs and op-ed pages, pundits have argued vehemently that American troops should take on these tasks. But this isn't likely to happen any time soon. What our politicians fear, but nobody wants to talk about, are the political consequences of American casualties. This is not because Americans are lacking in courage; as the heroic actions of the firefighters and others at the site of the World Trade Center showed, there is no shortage of people who are willing to risk their lives for the sake of their fellow citizens. But since Vietnam, there has been a widespread mistrust of American foreign policy. During the war, we were told that we were helping the Vietnamese -- saving them and the world from communism. This turned out to be a huge lie, with terrible consequences. Millions discovered that the United States was really fighting a dirty colonial war that the French had abandoned. Recent revelations have only reinforced this mistrust, as well as the worst picture imaginable of that war: the atrocities committed by former Senator Bob Kerrey, for example, or historian Michael Beschloss's analysis of President Lyndon Johnson's tapes, showing that he knew as early as 1965 that the war in Vietnam could not be won -- yet continued to send tens of thousands of Americans to die there. In the post-Vietnam era, Washington has mainly contracted out the dirty work -- mass murder in Guatemala and El Salvador, or trying to overthrow the government of Nicaragua in the 1980s. But whether the US military was directly involved -- as it was in the invasions of Grenada and Panama, the Persian Gulf War and Kosovo -- or not, it is a sordid record. In general, US officials lied about the purpose of their interventions, and none of them had much to do with US national security. For these reasons, public support for the "War on Terrorism" is miles wide but only an inch deep. Our political leaders want to use this crusade the way they used the "War Against Communism," and more recently, the "War on Drugs" in Colombia: as an excuse for the violence and brutality that are necessary to police a worldwide empire. It remains to be seen how much of this they can get away with, or whether they will expand the current war to countries such as Iraq, Somalia, Iran or elsewhere. But they know one thing very well: they cannot allow the US casualty count to rise very high before people begin to question their motives. This "Vietnam syndrome" will not be reversed. It is a permanent change in American consciousness, like those that followed the abolition of slavery or the victories -- however partial and incomplete -- of the civil rights movement. What will fade, eventually, is our leaders' addiction to empire. But when that goes, America will not have much need for foreign military adventures. Mark Weisbrot is co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, in Washington, D.C. (www.cepr.net). Reprinted from The Black World Newsletter 1/28/02 editors@tbwt.net

Subject We are writing to invite you to join a discussion on Middle Date Sat Mar 16 19:26 Author Eli Pariser, 9-11Peace.org ( http://www.actionforum.com/forum/index.html?forum_id=221)

We are writing to invite you to join a discussion on Middle East peace: http://www.actionforum.com/forum/index.html?forum_id=221 In the past several weeks the conflict between Israel and Palestinians has worsened considerably. Israel responded to brutal attacks by Hamas in early December with a new policy of aggressive incursions into Palestinian land and has challenged the Palestinian Authority?s sovereignty by attacking its most important institutions. Israel feels it is acting in the interest of self-preservation, while Palestinians feel Israel is acting to perpetuate its 35-year old military occupation. How can we, as concerned members of the international community, effectively support a peaceful resolution to this conflict? The issue matters globally now, because: - Militant Muslim groups including al-Queda have used Israeli abuses of power and U.S. aid to Israel as a rallying cry to gain support for their terrorist agendas. - The United States is a major financial backer of both parties, particularly Israel, which positions the U.S. to play a uniquely important role in addressing this conflict if it so chooses. - Human Rights Watch and other organizations have noted serious human rights abuses by both the Israeli Military and the Palestinian Authority. If we speak out on this important issue, what should we say? Please join the discussion at: http://www.actionforum.com/forum/index.html?forum_id=221 Thanks, Eli, David and the folks at 9-11peace.org and MoveOn P.S. If you're interested in learning more about this issue, check out our latest Bulletin, Reviving the Middle East Peace Process, at: http://www.9-11peace.org/bulletin.php3#now

Subject Language Of The Middle East Date Mon Jul 15 2002 21:50 Author Charley Reese (briarl@earthlink.net)

Language Of The Middle East Many Americans are confused and misled about the facts of the Middle East because they don't understand the language of Israeli propaganda. A terrorist is any Palestinian who wants to end the Israeli occupation. A militant is anyone the Israelis kill. If they shoot you, you are, by definition, a militant, even if you're only 6 months old or 10 years old or 80 years old. The Israelis never kill anybody but militants, so all of the more than 70 Palestinian children 15 and younger shot dead by Israeli soldiers are militants. Most civilized countries don't think militancy is a capital offense. Unfortunately, members of the press often adopt the language of propaganda. They report that the Israelis have killed 20 militants. In fact, they don't know that. They themselves have never seen the 20 dead people. For all they know, they might be Palestinian nuns or pacifists. A good reporter will just report what he knows: The Israelis say they have killed 20 Palestinians. Recently, one of the Fox Network's foxy blondes belligerently demanded of a Palestinian spokesman why Yasser Arafat had not made a speech in Arabic demanding an end to terror. When the Palestinian finally got a chance to talk, he told her what everybody who follows the Middle East already knows: Arafat has condemned terrorism in speeches made in Arabic. The spokesman even gave the blond cutie two specific dates and occasions. But what's important to us, as consumers of this bilge on television, is this: I think it is a most safe assumption that the lady, ordinarily quite pleasant and giggly, does not speak Arabic, does not understand spoken Arabic and does not monitor radio and television broadcasts in Arabic. So the question is, how would she know whether Arafat had ever made a speech in Arabic on any subject? The answer is that she doesn't, yet she adamantly and obnoxiously asserted that he had not condemned suicide bombings in Arabic. Where did she get that information? >From Israeli propaganda. It could be that these younger folks who are in-studio types are just naive. Perhaps I can help them. All governments lie. Some governments lie on some occasions, some lie on many occasions, and some lie on all occasions. The Israeli government is a world-class liar. You can count on almost anything it says as being all false, or partly true and partly false, or true but out of context. The members of the Israeli government are also the most self-centered people on earth. To them it is unacceptable for any Israeli to die, but perfectly OK if any number of Palestinians die. How little value they place on Palestinian life is illustrated by a sentence an Israeli court gave a Jewish settler. His sentence was a fine and community service. What was his crime? He had knocked down a 10-year-old Palestinian boy, put his booted foot on the child's neck and beaten him to death with the butt of his military pistol. But as one of the right-wing rabbis is now saying openly, a Jewish life is more valuable than a gentile life. President Bush, perhaps the most naive American, wants everyone to call suicide bombers murderers. I won't. They are martyrs. Those young Palestinians have done exactly the same thing so many young Americans have done - willingly sacrificed their lives for their country's freedom. If they are murderers because they kill civilians during a war, then Mr. Bush's own father is a mass murderer. His war and his embargo have murdered tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children in Iraq. Young Bush is apparently planning to murder more.To paraphrase the killer in the movie "Unforgiven," "We are all murderers, kid." The irony is that while Bush keeps yapping at Arafat to stop the violence, Bush himself refuses to stop the much greater violence inflicted on the Palestinian people by Israel. In case he hasn't noticed, there are, to use his favorite phrase, innocent men, women and children dying in the occupied territories because of Israeli state terrorism practically every day. Instead of playing self-righteous semantic games, Bush should devote his energy to stopping the killing by everybody, including us. He should strongly support freedom for the Palestinians. That's the only way the Israelis will ever have security. And he should abandon the idea that the way to stop killing is to kill. [This article is NOT being sent by the writer, but his name is listed only for reference] Charley Reese can be contacted at briarl@earthlink.net. © 2002 by King Features Syndicate, Inc.

Subject Tears, Words, Thoughts... Date Thu Sep 12 2002 00:30 Author Three Eagles (Three Eagles)

My friends know who I am ? to the rest I?ll be your relative in Spirit? My heart and prayers go to all those related to this disastrous event on 9-11-2002 In my life I have been registered Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Green, Peace & Freedom, Independent, etc? Tears, Words, Thoughts? ?You can lead a horse to water? you cannot force them drink??Unknown ?If you keep smoking, my Cherokee Grandmother will be dancing on your grave? ?Cherokee Relative ?People are like mules. You can prod them, push them, kick them, & they aren?t going to move until they?re good and ready! But when they move, there is no holding them back or what they can do? ?now deceased Navajo Elder after praying for California?s safety last year before 9-11. He died 3 weeks later ?It?s time to let the cat out of the bag? ?Unknown ?One of my dearest friends [no names, please?] had a stroke last week, the night after hacking veganism at an environmental event. He lived through it, and later apologized. As most of his family and friends are meat eaters it?s hard for him to consider changing, but strokes are almost unheard of in the vegan population? ?A word to the wise. ?I admire you for being vegetarian, as it is domestic meat from the grocery store that is killing me. I can no longer get good wild game since the white men came along? I gave up alcohol 40 years ago because it?s the only way my wife would have me, and I still feel pain from those abusive years? ?Apache Grandpa three weeks before going off to the ?happy hunting grounds? 22 years ago My clan was the Deer Clan? My heart goes out to the deer population, who are now threatened with Mad Cow Disease. My prayer is that the freeway systems, long separating them from their families, can somehow prevent the infected ones from continuing to spread it to so-far isolated and safe herds. It is spread through contaminated feces they smell, and orally licking each other. I am a descendant from a list of ancient Native Civilizations in the East, now Mixed Bloodline, otherwise considered extinct [all the full bloods are long gone]? Other Tribes have adopted many of our Clans. Most were not so lucky. Our people taught the Original Settlers from Europe how to farm and survive. They later had land taken away from them. Many were taken as slaves, put in jail, or murdered. My Grandmothers are still asking for Justice from their graves. The English laughed at us, and called us Tuckahoe, ?root diggers?. The original clan was Ptuckeyoo, who found the buried mushrooms now known as ?Truffles?, and revered in Europe and Asia for their outstanding flavor and healing qualities. Some of our ?mixed breed? survivors were adopted by the Cherokee nation. Most didn?t live to be put on the Cherokee Trail of Tears, and most of those on the Trail never made it. In my opinion, there is something very karmic [cause & effect] about the World Trade Center Crisis, as our Dear Sacred Mother Earth cries out that she cannot take much more of the nonsense. She loves us, but she is still hurting as our United States Government Administration continues to authorize and condone a ?trigger happy? military killing many innocent victims around the World, authorizing destruction of the environment, and contaminating the soil. This has to stop immediately to have real peace! Other countries also have to learn how to get along without exchanging bullets, bombs, missiles, and other weapons of destruction. Also our people need to realize that every other plant and animal has just as much a right to grow as they do. Ask permission before taking. Just because they don?t speak English does not mean there is no order in their own civilization. Our long lost relatives to the East had traded ?the use, not ownership? of an area called New York City to early European settlers. When the Ancestors returned to share the land, it was all fenced off, all the wildlife was destroyed and they were told to leave. Some were jailed, or put into slavery, losing their dignity and identity. When the Natives protested, or refused to leave, they were massacred. No more full bloods now ? the British made good and sure there was no one left to ?reclaim? the land. ?The records regarding our original Natives, and the great civilization that existed before those settlers was crushed, and other settlers kept coming, forcing us off our home grounds, compromising our Ancient Ceremonies with their Religious intolerance. Will they ever change???A Native Many Greats Grandmother from the grave, as there are no records to prove she was even born in the 1600?s on this soil ?Thou shall not kill? ? One of the 10 commandments from Moses when he broke the original records after he saw his people worshiping the ?Golden Cow?, and then later ?eating them?? Original scripture in that lineage did not say, ?Thou shall not kill - only certain humans?. No exceptions. Think about it. The Garden of Eden legend: Eve was tempted by the serpent, and ate the ?forbidden fruit?, getting caught up in a ?samsara? cycle of ?good and evil? then kicked out of the garden. Snakes eat other animals! Think about it? After all this inhumanness from one Government trying to dominate another through force, taking what rightfully does not belong to another, invading another?s territories without permission from the tribal people in the areas; not just here but around the World, when will we find true Justice? Think about it? My brother [adopted in our Lodge ways], who is Great Grandson of Geronimo in his bloodline ancestry, invited me to a very special ceremony on his home grounds, the Capital of a Native Nation now, and introduced me as representing the ancient bloodlines from back east. His people were crying, needing better education to really ?compete? in today?s society, yet still not compromise the ancient traditional value systems. Nature joined in and thanked us for the reunion with the best rain in ages that lasted for days throughout the State of Arizona and other areas. Lightening, thunder, rainbows, singing, drums, & prayers made it one of the most amazing experiences. The Cloud Spirits of our Ancestors threw in the mud bath; necessary just to survive out there, and they got it good. When will all the races realize that we are all related, and every life is important? More than that, when will ?they? realize our real Mother and our real Father only ?loaned? us the use of this land. It?s priceless, except to some humans, and there are more of ?them? than there are of ?us?. Where else do we have to go? -Three Eagles ?We are still here to protect Mother Earth from selfish people, for we never left.? ?Unknown

Subject IRAQ: \\\ IMMEDIATE ACTION ALERT \\\ Date Fri Oct 4 2002 15:09 Author Progressive Portal (globe005@progressiveportal.org)

*** PLEASE CIRCULATE WIDELY, AND QUICKLY! *** IMMEDIATE ACTION ALERT ON IRAQ from PROGRESSIVE PORTAL and GLOBAL EXCHANGE Anti-war activists have just a couple of days to influence the outcome of the Congressional debate about Iraq. Congress is expected to pass a resolution next week ... and there is already evidence that a strong outpouring of anti-war sentiment is having an impact, as members of Congress from both parties express skepticism about the broad war mandate sought by the White House. Please take a minute right now to do the following: (1) First, visit the Progressive Portal letter-writing page at: http://www.progressiveportal.org/letters/global/iraq/indy.html In less than a minute you can send a message to Congressional leaders and members of the foreign affairs committees. (2) Second, pass this alert along to your contacts. (3) Third, display your opposition to war with peace flags, U.N. flags, Earth flags, anti-war posters, and other items. Proceeds make the work of Progressive Portal possible. See: http://www.progressiveportal.org/resources/flags.html (4) Fourth, for more information, visit the Iraq campaign section of the Global Exchange Web site, and see the Iraq information links on Progressive Portal's links page. http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/iraq/ http://www.progressiveportal.org/links/ Time is short -- please act today if you can! ProgressivePortal.org Easy Online Activism http://www.progressiveportal.org

Subject ssjgogeta88@yahoo.com Date Sun Oct 6 2002 21:14 Author America, the Beautiful (ssjgogeta88@yahoo.com)

First of all, I'd like to post my respects to all the firefighters who gave their lives to save others in a time of need. These cowardly acts will not go unpunished. The sinister monsters will be found and obliterated swift and immediately. I'm sick of these pacifists who don't want to target Iraq because we may cause civilian deaths and that we should use diplomats to calm the Iraqi controversy. If we had not retaliated in WWII, we would all be speaking either Italian, German, or Japanese right now. As the Japanese general who ordered the attack on Pearl Harbor said "I fear we have awakened a sleeping giant" so have the Islamic extremists. And with this last quote, I give thanks to the people who dedicate their lives to protect me, my country, the idea of freedom."And the two brothers shall rise again, more strong and beautiful than before" in reference to thw Twin Towers. I pledge alleigance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, One Nation, Under God, Indivisible, with liberty and justice FOR ALL

	Subject E-MAGAZINE Date Fri Oct 11 2002 18:04 Author Joanne Smith, Editor (joannesmith999@hotmail.com) File: counterpoint1.pdf
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Subject APPEAL FOR A MEETING TO THE PRESIDENTS O Date Mon Nov 25 2002 00:52 Author Martin (Pleiadians@seznam.cz)

www.universe-people.com www.cosmic-people.com www.vesmirni-lide.cz APPEAL FOR A MEETING TO THE PRESIDENTS OF THE CZECH AND SLOVAK REPUBLIC In May 2000 the Cosmic People of Light Powers appealed to the presidents of the Czech and Slovak republic for a personal meeting on any airport or bigger grass tract. Cosmic people did not specify any limiting conditions. ASHTAR SHERAN, commander of the Grand cosmic squadron, together with other Cosmic people, is willing on this personal meeting to offer the cooperation on the government level. Our country has a unique opportunity to demonstrate to the whole planet Earth how its inhabitants can start a new way of living without wars, destruction, killing and material-oriented life and how they can start to build a STATE OF LOVE, that would show the direction to all people on the planet Earth. Also the Cosmic confederation of planets of Light powers (2 millions of civilizations under the High council and additional 3 millions of associated civilizations in our Galaxy) is ready to invite our planet Earth into this free association. They want to help to purify our planet Earth from all the negations that people caused by their ignorance. They mean especially the coarse vibration (negative thoughts - energy), radioactive contamination and chemical contamination on the planet Earth. Our Cosmic friends are prepared to share with us terrestrials a spiritual knowledge, that may shift us to the cosmic level and enable the survival of the terrestrial civilization as a whole. Already now there are hundreds of thousands of people in the central Europe, who connect with Cosmic people through a INNER form - thought - telepathy, natural way of communication, that has been blocked so far for us as a result of the negative thinking. The Cosmic people love us and they will love us, whatever happens. Our beloved Creator agreed with the personal visits, the presidents Václav Havel and Rudolf Schuster have been already invited and they are now considering their presence in the historical meeting. We appeal media workers to STOP transmitting negative energy massively and shower hundreds of milions of people with manipulative misinformations, which guides to the hells and holds the people in unknowing - the control status of low vibrations. The first offer of such a cooperation was made in 1949 on personal meetings with presidents Truman (USA) and Stalin (Soviet Union), 1954 p. Eisenhower (USA) and several times in numerous other countries. An extensive information system of more than 1400 reports from the Cosmic people received by approx. 100 contactors is available on the Internet page www.universe-people.cz and .com and daily there are 165 hits on average in there ! Dear readers, we would like to sincerely invite you to this web page. We offer you a considerable amount of information, which was not available to you so far. They are relevant for every person, because we are all on the same ship - planet Earth, and now there are many things in stake - the saving of everything what still can be saved. The evacuation flotillas have been prepared already for 4 years, as the future development does not eliminate the extreme option of evacuation of everything, what can be evacuated. Already now there are 150 millions of people of the planet Earth ready for the ASCENSION (boosting of body vibrations) from planet Earth - the Zone of Displacement (the black Universe) home, to the True Creation. Some of the animals have been already evacuated to the planets of rescue, because only our beloved Creator knows, what will be the future development on the planet Earth. He has the mankind in his hands and it fully up to his decision, what alternative of the future events he selects. The NATURAL ascension of Earth with some humankind together (3 days of darkness), is one of the possible options, then could be a second wave of evacuations (it is also a form of ascension). So be on the alert, communicate INNERLY, DO NOT ALLOW the media and the other controlling programs of Dark powers (saurians - negative extraterrestrials) to control you. There are thousands of these controlling programs. The control process is still maintained via the individual mental impulses - injections to the people with negative thoughts, there are alreaby 4 billions of these people controlled on 90%. The forces of the Dark are preparing for you who will choose, with microchip ID's, ISO 9000, mobile networks, supervised Internet a central global control system through body microchips (forehead and right hand), of purpose to check you on 99,9% ! The only way of LIBERATION is LOVE. Please inform each person who is interested in this information, as the time is limited and the events of crucial importance are going to happen soon. Nobody will be able to say, that he did not know. Use this time to your own spiritual realization and understanding of the necessity to solve urging problems of the terrestrial civilization !!! No one will hide away before one's own responsibility. IVO A. BENDA P.O. BOX 51, 470 06 CESKA LIPA CZECH REPUBLIC, EUROPE or to a mobile: ++420-603-491600 I believe, that you do care for the status of our society and the planet Earth, which is a 80% ill woman being, and you will get at the necessity to start changes in your thinking and deeds and contribute so to the saving of our planet Earth. Ivo A. Benda and Cosmic people of Light powers. Ceska Lipa, 26. 7. 2001 www.universe-people.com www.cosmic-people.com

Subject Pseudo-creators prepare CONTROL CHIPS FO Date Mon Nov 25 2002 00:54 Author Martin (Pleiadians@seznam.cz)

www.universe-people.com www.cosmic-people.com 1179. Pseudo-creators prepare CONTROL CHIPS FOR PEOPLE – component of the Full negative status !!! (extract from the Medium magazine – October 2000) Companies producing microchip cards explain in their advertising campaigns, that these are much better than the cash, because people do not have to care for having enough money, coins etc. ATTENTION! THIS IS JUST A TRAP! Once the microchip cards will become so common, that they totally displace the cash in the market, they will become THE EXCLUSIVE MEAN OF EXCHANGE. However this will only be valid, until they will be replaced by the final solution: MICROCHIPS IN THE MAN’S BODY, implanted usually under the skin on the hand or on the forehead. Publicist Alan Pilote expresses this warning in the French periodic Vers Demian and he further discusses the problem of microchips and the MAN’S FREEDOM. The cards with microchips will lead to the control over every person in the world. They will represent the last phase before the MICROCHIP IMPLANTATION on the body under the skin, the ”beast” mark. Without this sign it will be impossible to sell or buy anything. If everything will continue according to the plan of the international financial magnates (the main controlling agents of the negative status on the planet Earth – remark of the editor), cash, i.e. notes and coins will totally disappear in a relatively short period from the market. They will be replaced by ”electronic money”, in the first phase based on the credit cards’ microchip, later on in a short timeframe they will be replaced by the microchip itself, implanted under the skin, likely on the right hand ( this is usually the writing hand – possibility to control and monitor writing - remark of the editor). This is not a fantasy! This technology has been already tested on animals many times and it appears that everything is prepared to its accomplishment directly on a man. Why are the financial bosses of the world so interested in this system? Because IT ALLOWS TO ESTABLISH A TOTAL CONTROL OVER THE PEOPLE! These financial bosses (puppets of the saurians - remark of the editor), blinded by THEIR POWER-CONSCIOUSNESS, are convinced, that ONLY THEY ARE ABLE TO LEAD THE MANKIND IN THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY. They are aware of the fact that people will not be willing to give-up the possibility to trade in cash just easily. However in the situation of the threat of the worldwide financial crash, the financial bosses will be able to convince people, that the only possibility which will rescue them from loosing everything, is the MICROCHIP. How does the microchip for implantation look like? Unlike the credit cards, no personal code is needed, no confirmation about the cash balance from the bank. Microchip cards containing electronic information, immediately provide all requested data, they can store by 500 more information than the current cards. The leading company producing microchip cards is Mondex. Half of its shares is owned by MasterCard. Using these cards it is possible to transmit information by the Mondex telephone machines or by specially equipped computer. Mondex microchip cards are already used in 20 countries and it is expected that the European union will apply this system in combination with the common currency introduction. It is already possible to use a personal computer as a ”bank counter”, allowing to perform all requested financial transactions directly using the screen. Microsoft announced recently, that since 1999 all computers will be equipped by the tools for using microchip cards. However because microchip cards can be stolen, damaged or lost, people will be SUGGESTIVELY CONVINCED, that the IMPLANTATION of such a MICROCHIP will be much more practical and better. The microchip will not be in the plastic card any more, but it will be implanted directly ON THE MAN’S BODY. It will not be used for financial purposes only, but at the same time for IDENTIFICATION OF EVERY INDIVIDUAL PERSON. For example using the satellite or antenna transmission devices, it will always be under control, WHERE any person is at this particular moment. Something similar is already planned to be implemented in some European towns for the mandatory registration of the dogs. The official reasoning is a possibility to easily find the lost or strayed animal, in reality the town officials want to make sure that nobody can escape from paying fees for the dog. For the implantation under the man’s skin many microchips were produced. Their size is from 5 to 7 mm in length and 0.75 mm in breadth, this can be approximately compared to a rice grain. In the microchip the following main information are stored: NAME OF THE PERSON, PICTURE OF HIS/HER FACE, INSURANCE NUMBER AND CODE, FINGERPRINT, PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION, FAMILY GENEALOGY, ADDRESS, JOB POSITION AND THE EXCERPT FROM THE CRIME REGISTER. The card can store up to 34 BILLIONS COMBINATIONS, so IT CAN IDENTIFY EVERY INDIVIDUAL TERRESTRIAL. It means, that such a microchip will replace all other current identification documents (identity card, insurance certificate and many others). The person not having such a document on him/her, would not be able to buy anything, but more than this – he/she could not receive salary, pension, manipulate with the money in the bank, travel etc. Microchip is equipped by auto-charging lithium battery. The requirement to give a signal whenever the temperature of the man’s body changes led to a expensive research with the aim to identify the most appropriate position on the man’s body for the microchip placement. Two places were identified – on the forehead close to the hair and on the ridge of the right hand. This fact reminds us strongly about the passage from the Saint John’s Revelation: ”And (the beast) will force everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark or the name of the beast or the number of his name (666).” So far it was not possible to understand this Saint John’s forecast. Now with the microchip implanted under the skin it is already possible! At first glance such a microchip on the hand can be seen as a big simplification, as a big advantage for everyone. However as Saint John writes in the Revelation, a man to be able to receive the mark has to give up Christ and swear the loyalty to the Anti-Christ (pseudo-creators – remark of the editor). And what is represented by Christ? Of course, the MAIN COSMIC AND NATURAL RULES and part of them is also the FREEDOM, which the individual will for sure LOOSE in the subordination to the human ruling and grasping power. Microchips will be through the satellite or antenna transmission devices connected to the CENTRAL COMPUTER with gigantic memory. There is a computer working already for more than 10 years in Brussels, which is able to register 2 billions numerical data. It is likely that this computer is being equipped and prepared to store data about people associated with various industries. Even bigger ”computer storage” has a super-computer in Luxembourg. This computer is able to store and utilize information about all inhabitants of the Earth. It appears that under conditions described above the GENERAL ”CONNECTION” OF THE EARTH’S INHABITANTS TO THE COMPUTER MEMORY will be done, which in principle is already the ORWELL’S TOTALITARIANISM. Selected individuals will be able to immediately block the bank account of any person, stop him/her using the phone, travelling or buying the travel ticket etc. We can hardly imagine what would happen in case of the central computer breakdown. And on top of it, what is most important, it is just a step from here to CONTROL OF PEOPLE FROM ANY POINT OF VIEW - based on their behavior or their stay in a particular location. It can ultimately lead to the monitoring of their psychical reactions, so in principle to THE CONTROL OF THEIR THOUGHTS. DETAILED INFORMATION ARE AVAILABLE AT www.universe-people.com "PROJECT L.U.C.I.D." Living Truth Ministries 1708 Patterson Road Austin, Texas 78733 Texe Marrse: http://www.texemarrs.com/ www.universe-people.com www.cosmic-people.com www.vesmirni-lide.cz

Subject PETITION AGAINST MICROCHIP TOTALITY !!! Date Mon Nov 25 2002 00:55 Author Martin (Pleiadians@seznam.cz)

www.cosmic-people.com www.vesmirni-lide.cz PETITION AGAINST MICROCHIP TOTALITY (324). (Received by Ivo A. Benda) Newsletter 8/4/2002 PETITION ! AGAINST MICROCHIP TOTALITY Dear people, There's time to announce you YOUR SITUATION and POSITION within PUPPET SYSTEM. It's enough of hebetating people by scientists, clerks and other outer structures. PART OF THE MEN IS WORKING HARD ON MICROCHIP CONTROL SYSTEM TO ALL THE PEOPLE ON THE PLANET EARTH. This system will stand for the entire loss of remaining liberties the people contemporary have in case of realization. Men who are working on this, living in total ignorance from the view of incidence - spiritual impact, what this will mean for fundamental human rights. The Microchips are parts of computerized net via microwaves like cell phones ! The men control system is created gradually and unobtrusively to avoid any human protest. And it is in action now. An unification of the State Administration (EU at present), currency union (EURO), implementation of universal chip ID (health or driving license) cards are concerned in the Czech Republic (CR) until 2005. In the CR there are smaller systems in operation already - for city bus traffic (Frydek-Mistek, Znojmo, Breclav), trains (now Z-cards for practice), cars (implementation of a special cameras for scanning license numbers under the pretence of autumn NATO summit), health service (in Litomerice county). In the area of employment it is built in part of an ISO 9000 system whereof systems will likewise good serve in human control. The next are the mobile communication, internet and Mobile Internet (in set-up). Then banking system (charge and credit cards-cashomats-shops). The loss of liberties means a great chances for part of men EASILY and EFFECTIVELY operate with all precise personal data (inclusive personal movement - the building entrances and long distance scanning in free landscape - the wire in card is enough), thus misuse personal infos for massive muman control - knifing them of energy opposite their will. ONCE THE PEOPLE COME to this system, they cannot get back to the authentic one. There is no any technical not even ethical - spiritual guarantee - of improper use. Yet nowadays there are 180 000 daily hits into police database in CR which includes just a fragment of data prepared at disposal. IN ADDITION: all the health data, biometrics - fingerprint, IRIS of eye, personal photo, employment data (both past and actual detailed motion), financial and holding data (property and effects), MOVEMENT of persons, city traffic, buses, trains, cars. The database entries cannot be effectively protected from misuse by the lots of negative people. The system construction in the CR (and everywhere) beneath twelve year presidency of Vaclav Havel means absolute MISUNDERSTANDING and FAILURE. Neither him or state officials HAVING NOT in their programmes an increasing quality of life of the people - i.e. decreasing of gaved work to the society to a necessary level to have more time on good-class life. Thereat the economic standard allows reduce workload of men. As regards so-called office for security of personal data, it is powerless already today concerning abuse of personal data (personal database diffusion among firms and their illegal activities, etc.) Overwhelming majority of employers takes interest to keep maximum of employee energy using all possible resources. The information technology will raise these possibilities to the peak ! This procedure does not ensure the higher standard of living for people but exactly other way round this will make puppets and slaves ! Dear people, this is up to you now, whether you will just WATCH or even PARTICIPATE in construction an orwellian totality. Or else you can lawfully help to stop from human control system by your voice in petition. Sense with your heart ! Everyone who will do nothing against this system, will try it on his own to learn what he prepared himself by negative - inactive, backward and irresolute position. It will be worser than animal life. No one will get off this planetary human control system on the Earth. The events from 11th September 2002 are the instruments. The Bible - St. John’s Apocalypse contains this information as well in Revelation 13:16-18: "And he caused all (beast), both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name (666)". The chip ID cards will be finally (during several years) substituted by separate microchips on skin in hand (writing check) or in forehead (mind control). Their distribution has been already started within the USA. Such a microchips are already in use in animals location (dogs, pets, etc.). The microchips will also have sophisticated MIND CONTROL capacity. Further informations you can find in competent range of 5000 pages and 1000 pictures on the internet web sites www.universe-people.cz in Czech or www.cosmic-people.com or www.universe-people.com in English. About construction of the microchip control system in the world Project L.U.C.I.D. and then newspaper articles about approval by Brussels (EU) by the year 2005. We are offering the SOLUTION for both individuals and governments in our source. There is a big interest for the important information - already 150 000 CZ and 50 000 EN hits. You say yourself you are independent - by this we are contradicting your imagination of liberty. In reality this is pseudocreation - the artifficially and closely fabricated by those who are controlling you - the negative people on Earth and in Space. You say yourself you have democracy - by this we are contradicting your imagination of democracy. In reality it is going about pseudodemocracy. Consider carefully you decision ! I am against implementation of the microchip universal (health, driving license) ID's Name and Surname Settlement Signature Please write legible PRINT HAND to keep valid your vote. You can also ask for Petition Form. Your vote please send to: Ivo. A. Benda P.O. Box 51 470 06 Ceska Lipa 6 Czech Republic phone: +420-603-491600 N. PETITION AGAINST MICROCHIP TOTALITY ! 4.8.2002 I am against implementation of the microchip universal (health, driving license) ID's Please write legible print hand to keep valid your vote www.cosmic-people.com - INFO VOTES PLEASE SEND TO: IVO A. BENDA, P.O.BOX 51, 470 06 CESKA LIPA 6 - INFO.

Subject Terroriam happens every day Date Mon Nov 25 2002 00:00 Author White, non-religious white English woman

I would like to take some time and remind everyone in the U.S. exactly how ignorant of the real facts they are. Terrorism is not new. What happened on September 11th 2001 is not new. The only reason such a drama has been made is because of where it happened - America. Of course, my heart goes out to all the people who have lost members of their family, and their friends. However, let's not forget the reality. Every day, there are innocent afghani people, oppressed by the Taliban regime, who are bombed almost incessantly. Their towns are ruined, but they carry on because they have no other choice. Let's not point the blame at these people, nor at the religion of Islam. As often happens, religion has been twisted to suit the means and aims of the Taliban. Also, England and Ireland have been the victim of terrorist attacks for many years, and yet little focus has been made to those who have lost their lives (this would probably be far more than those of 9/11 as there has been decades of attacks). It seems to me that many Americans need to open their eyes. You are not the only victims, and you only want to end terrorism because you have been affected, otherwise you wouldn't care. Plus, starting a war would be terrible if only because Americans are incapable of hitting a target (I know that bombing the red cross buildings must have been a mistake - a large red cross can be so hard not to notice).

Subject Why Islam/Mulims are a menace to world? Date Thu Nov 28 2002 14:58 Author ncjar69 (ncjar69@yahoo.com)

This analysis on Muslims/Islam has been done after thorough understanding of the religion, its history, and various scriptures and writings. This should throw a lot of light on what our country(USA)and other developed and hardworking peace loving democratic nations are facing today. WHY ISLAM WILL DESTROY THIS WORLD PEACE? DESTROY IT BEFORE IT DESTROYS NON-MUSLIMS! Make no mistake. The World Trade Center bombing has nothing to with the foreign policies of the US. All Muslims want is an excuse. They always need an enemy, because they hate peace. They want to kill, destroy, rape, plunder. All they need is an excuse. At present, this excuse is the USA. Suppose if America changed its foreign policies tomorrow and stopped assisting Israel. Make no mistake, Muslims would in a second find out a new excuse for spreading hatred and terror. How about these excuses: 1) Why are Britain, France and Italy not declared Islamic states ? 2) Muslims are illiterate, but still why are they not getting all the jobs ? 3) Why are they not being allowed to freely kill and maim Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists ? It's their birth right to kill non-Muslims, right ? Isn't that what Koran says, kill all non-believers ? Make no mistake. Islam is the faith of the barbarians. Islam is ther other name of hatred, curse, illiteracy, trouble, poverty, madness. Islam is the biggest curse on earth. It must be destroyed. But then why must Islam be destroyed ? Can't we find a workaround ? No, you can't. Here is why. How do you think you will deal with mad men with bombs ? By reasoning with them ? No. You kill them. Now you may think that just killing the few mad ones is enough. Wrong again. Didn't you know that Islam preaches polygamy of men ? Didn't you know that Muslims claim birth control and family planning are un-Islamic ? Didn't you know that every Muslim on average has 20 children, regardless of whether he can feed them (generally he can't) or not ? Well, now you know. So you see, even if you kill 5 madmen, Muslims grow like insects. You kill 10, they breed 1000 more. How long can you keep going ? So, what's the solution ? Simple, kill them all. Destroy them. Destroy their religion. Don't let them hide. Don't let them sleep. Don't sell anything to them. Don't buy anything from them. Make them starve. Make sure they cannot get out of their home. Attack them everywhere. Don't stop until there is not a single Muslim left in your country. Muslims are worse than dogs. At least dogs have loyalty. Muslims don't. They destroy the same country that feeds them. Take this: "...Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed, a Syrian who has been in Britain since 1985 and lives on benefits provided by the British social security lives in London with his six children. His Al-Muhajiroun organisation is dedicated to the overthrow of western society and the establishment of a Khilafah, an Islamic state..." So civilized people: unite against Muslims. The Third World War has begun. It will not stop till we have killed every single one of them. Show no compassion. It's us or them. We will win. We are all pawns in the very large game that Islam plays. Recently an Islamic organisation has declared that their aim is to convert France to an Islamic state by 2007. The target date for Britain is 2012. They plan to achieve this by mass-immigration, infiltration, conversion, polygamy and high birth rate. Now USA may also be in their list after Septermber 11,2001 attack which was very transperant from Osam Bin Laden's most recent audio tape that "America should embrace Islam." The pattern is very similar everywhere. First one Muslim comes from some Muslim country to your Democratic Free nation/town and buys a house. Then suddenly you notice that he has brought 20 relatives from his country. You think no more of it, because relatives can always come as tourists. Then suddenly after 6 months you notice that none of the relatives has left your country, instead the first Muslim has bought two adjacent houses. Within a year, each of the people who arrived earlier brings in more and more friends, relatives and even unknown people and buys more properties in adjacent areas. If they cannot enter your country legally (because they cannot get a work permit), there is a variety of ways they get in. One of the Muslims who has a job or business can declare that he’d support the new immigrants. If that does not work, they claim that they need asylum. Of the Muslims who seek asylum, all are phoney. If they can’t get in as asylum-seekers either, they employ various so-called human rights agencies to start a hue and cry on their behalf. This generally works, as the government of the country bends over backwards to sound politically correct. It is no wonder that all these so-called human rights agencies are run by failed communists. Do you see the pattern ? In 2 years, you discover that all houses in one whole block belong to Muslims. Then the whole area becomes a Muslim area. Within five years, the whole town is infested with Muslims, there are more Mosques than churches or temples, there are separate schools for Muslims where they are taught about religion and nothing else. Once the second generation of these Muslims are grown up, they become absolutely unemployable, because all along they were taught only about Islam, jihad, how to kill non-Muslims and so on. They have no relationship with the country of domicile or its people. These is where the next phase of their Big Game starts. In all mosques the preachers incite the youth about the perceived discrimination of the host country. They incite the youth to take up arms and fight for justice. Finally they demand separate Islamic nationhood. What started with just one Muslim in one small town, ended up in full-scale riot, arson, terrorism and finally partition of a country. That’s how it works. Muslims believe in converting the world into Islam. Every single Muslim works as a pawn in this Big Game. But the machinery works perfectly. It has worked in France, Italy, Britain, the US, China, India, the CIS and elsewhere. Every single Muslim is an active party in this sinister game. So to summarise, the pattern is: 1. Get into a country by any means, 2. Bring everybody from your country, 3. Buy properties and acquire more and more areas, 4. Acquire entire towns and cities, 5. Establish mosques and medieval teaching centres everywhere, .Target the Black community in Jails/other places to convert them to Islam to use them to fight for religious cause. 6. Instigate riots with indigenous people, allege discrimination, enforce areas where indigenous people are banned from entering, 7. Involve communist intellectuals at all stages to shout for you, 8. Start campaigning for separate Muslim nationhood by carving out a part of the host country, 9. Finally start terrorist movements in the host country. What the free world must do: 1. Don’t let a single more Muslims enter your democratic free prosperous country on any excuse whatsoever, 2. Keep a close watch on the billions of Muslims already infesting your cities and towns, 3. Demolish all the Islamic religious schools, 4. Boycott all Muslim businesses, 5. Boycott Muslims socially (this should be easy, because Muslims are social outcasts in all host countries anyway) 6. Actively resist Muslims from getting any job in private enterprises (this also should not be difficult, as they are generally uneducated and unemployable), 7. Create pressurise on the government of your country not to allow Muslim representation at any level of the administration, 8. Actively campaign all the time, keep up the vigil. Remember, under the hood, they hate all non-Muslims, they believe that killing non-Muslims is good, they believe in destroying your country to build up the universal Islamic nation. Remember, the history of Islam is just a long story soaked in the blood of innocent people. In the middle ages they invaded countries after countries, robbed and plundered innocent people and converted everybody to Islam at the point of the sword. They did everything to crush the religions of the indigenous people. They were very close to reach their ultimate goal: making it a Muslim world. Don’t let them get away with it any more. We have won the Cold War. We will win this one too. Let’s fight till the end. DEMOCRACY WILL PREVAIL!

Subject Peace Date Sun Feb 12 2006 20:49 Author Just humanbeing (afraid@haha.com)

We still blieve love begets love. but some nations aggression, occopation,plundring and sucking the wealth from the peaceful countries destrying the peace.How we can stop those Evils "this the question.".?? We think peace still has a chance; If the dictators work for their own countries and let peaceful people free and do not involve their politics and natinal affair. There ARE many trators those become terrorist for few Dollars and make problems in their own native countries. It´s shameful; when people in the name of Aid supply arms to the terrorist and their agents. What is the right soloution of the problem LET THEM IN A FREE ATMOSPHER AND MIND YOUR OWN BUSSINESS

Subject I wish I didn't agree Date Fri Oct 8 2004 15:57 Author Some Guy (shotit4u@hotmail.com)

I wish I didn't agree with this post but after watching and reading about the numerous beheadings of innocnet people carried out by Islamic terrorists, I find my growing hatred for them increasingly difficult to suppress. When they behead their victims, it's not just one quick blow. Several of them hold the inconceivably unfortunate human being down while one of them begins sawing at the neck with a knife. After about 20 seconds the vocal cords are severed and the screaming stops but the knife is only half way through and the head is pulled back and twisted around until it finally rips free. Why should anyone who is capable of such an act be allowed to live? The author of the previous post is also correct about the history of Islam. The violent, primitive religion of Islam was created by a merchant named Mohammad around 600 AD. Its goal then was to invade and dominate the western world; why would it be any different now. I may be wrong but from what I've heard, Islam basically teaches the opposite of Christianity. Where Jesus taught his followers to turn the other cheek when slapped, Islam teaches to slap the other person back three times. Which method seems more enlighteded? What fool would accept a religion that teaches such childish stupidity? Unfortunately, to kill them all would be to act as they do and that would be more of a victory for them than slaughtering every other human on the face of the earth. I believe that Jesus said to "turn the other cheek" because he knew that this world and what happens to us in it is ultimately insignificant. Its how we react to what happens to us that is important and reacting like rabid animals is not the way to live up to our potential.

	Subject you sound like hitler... Date Sat Jun 12 2004 20:59 Author shujoun

	Subject you sound like hitler... Date Sat Jun 12 2004 20:59 Author shujoun

Subject Muslims Date Thu Dec 25 2003 07:25 Author Al Larson (w7jbj@comcast.com)

Hate to pop your bubble but it is not the Muslims to fear but our own Bilderberg, Skull & Bones, and Olympians controlled government!! Check out the Alex Jones VHS tape (live video) and see who really was behind the Oklahoma bombing and the attack on 9/11!! Now they have their Homeland Security and Patriot Act in place for marshall law and all their executive orders to commence and have moved all OUR troops overseas leaving German and Russian UN trained 'thugs' (like some used in Miami and other places) I have seen the pictures of the 'hidden' bases they keep these guy's. They will have no problem rounding up Americans since they are not from this country!! Then it is off to the already established FEMA camps all across the U.S. and to illiminate the Americans on the Red, Blue, and Green lists!!

	Subject lmao Date Sun Jun 22 2003 03:34 Author salman pervez (spervez21@hotmail.com)
i am a muslim...and a very proud one for that. and you crack me up. seriously man..youve got to be like 16 or something! lol!!!

Subject in reply to ncjar69 Date Mon Dec 2 2002 23:40 Author White, non-religious English woman

I think you will find dear sir that US Armed forces have repeatedly harmed only those who are innocent - fellow American soldiers, the Red Cross. And,whilst I agree that the aslyum issue has become a problem (in England more than ever) it is neither Islam nor Muslims who are resonsible for these terrorist attacks but the Taliban regime. Your speech shows an attitude of nothing more than ignorance and narrow-mindedness; no better than that of those responsible for such atrocities around the world.

	Subject Free Peace Button Date Sat Dec 7 2002 07:24 Author David B. Elf (SantaElf@PeaceForChristmas.org)
To celebrate Christmas and to spread the spirit of peace and hope, I am giving away my "Earthrise Peace" button free to anyone who wants it. Please see http://www.PeaceForChristmas.org. Merry Christmas! --David B. Elf

Subject Say "No" to War! Petition Date Wed Dec 11 2002 19:01 Author Pramila (pramila@mindspring.com.)

Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:31:20 -0800 (PST) > Soul sisters and gentlewomen: > > Today I understand that 25 Congresswomen in the US House of > Representatives walked out -- and refused to participate in the vote to > give Bush war powers --- they were led by Barbara Bell of California and > they took up residence on the White House lawn..... They say women can > change the world. Here is a chance! I am part of a nationwide effort to > unite women against war. > > We have drafted a statement here and ask you, if you are so moved, to > send it out to as many women and women's groups as you can for > endorsement. If you are not part of a group/organization, you can also > sign as an individual. If you feel so moved, please sign below, giving > your or your organization's name and location. Then please cut and > paste this message into a new message and forward on to as many > people as you know. If you are the 50th, 100th, 150th, 200th, etc., > person, please also e-mail a copy back to mailto:pramila@mindspring.com. > This is our chance to stop this war. Women are a strong constituency > in this country. > > We only have a few days. Please act immediately. > > Women United Against War > As women embracing life and peace, we declare ourselves opposed to any > military action against Iraq. As women, we have been the victims of many > kinds of violence. We call on you, our Congress members, to oppose any > military action. We make this demand for ourselves, our children, our > parents, our brothers, husbands, partners and friends. > > We make this demand because we understand that warfare creates endless > cycles of violence, destruction and death, impoverishing us spiritually > and economically. > > We make this demand because warfare destroys family life, throwing whole > communities into exile and turning children into orphans. We make this > demand because we cannot build happy lives on a ground polluted by > violence. We believe this is a defining moment in the life of our country. > We will either take our place in the family of nations as seekers of peace > and justice or we will start down a terrible road to war, unleashing the > fury of generations to come on our land. We call upon you to act with > integrity, to show courage and remember that you are guardians of the > public trust and of the world we leave to our children. We oppose this war. > > We oppose all elected officials who support this war. There is no other > issue greater than the cause of peace. No past stand or history can be > called upon to overshadow the imperative to stand today for peace. We, as > women acting to shape public life, dedicate our energy, resources, and > hopes to those who establish peace. There will be no war in our names. > If you want our support and votes, stop this war! > > Signed: > 1. Unreasonable Women for the Earth, Nationwide > 2. Pramila Jayapal, Seattle, WA > 3. Ginny NiCarthy, Seattle, WA > 4. Karen Bosley, Seattle, WA > 5. Janice Pickard, Coupeville, WA > 6. Margot E "Peg" Tennant, Coupeville WA > 7. Patty Carlisle, Seattle, WA > 8. Karen Jensen, Seattle, WA > 9. Frances Partridge, Seattle, WA > 10. Elizabeth Sanders, Seattle, WA > 11. Marjorie Huebner, MN > 12. Karolyn Redoutey, MN > 13. Jennifer Moore, MN > 14. Jacqueline Sterling, Minneapolis, MN > 15. Rorie Hanrahan, Santa Fe, NM > 16. Maggie Copeland, Glendive, MT > 17. Joan Gough, Moab, UT > 18. Eleanor Inskip, Salt Lake City, UT > 19. Meherban Kaur Khalsa, Salt Lake City, Ut > 20. Shakta Khalsa, Herndon, VA > 21. Anne V. Hilliard, Jacksonville, FL > 22. Ann McGill, Reston, VA > 23 Mary Elizabeth Th! under, West Point, Texas & Big Indian, NY > 24. Joy Walker, Palm Bay, Fl. 32909 > 25. Christina Van Deusen, Waltham MA 02453 > 26. Susan Cohen Thompson, Natick, MA 01760 > 27. Linda Timann Dewing, Providence, RI 02906 > 28. Mikala Moore, Durango, CO 81301 > 29. Sister Patricia Soltesz,IHM Harper Woods, MI 48225 > 30. Jan Soleau, IHM, St.Clair Shores, MI 48080 > 31. Joyce Campbell, IHM, St. Clair Shores, MI 48080 > 32. Kathleen Brogle, Cincinnati, Ohio 45230 > 33. Laurene T. Hagman, Columbus, Ohio 43219 > 34. Janice Bachman, Columbus, Ohio 43214 > 35. Judy Niday, Dayton, Ohio 45426 > 36. Joyce Kahle, CPPS, Cincinnati, Ohio 45217 > 37. Julie M. Murray, Cincinnati, OH 45219 > 38. Growth in Motion, Inc. Fanchon Shur, Colleen mcCarty Cincinnati OH 45229 > 39. Michael Rossato-Bennett 55 Ave. C#10 Nyc NY 10009 > 40. Av! ram Gleitsman, NY, NY > 41. Julie Turley, NY, NY > 42. lunchbox recordings | monkey salon press. anne pope and toon. > brooklyn.ny.usa > 43 . Ann Shirazi,NYC 10025 > 44. Luise Eichenbaum,NYC 10024 > 45. Sara Baerwald, NYC 10010 > 46. Allison Lebar, Gambier, OH 43022 > 47. Susan Baerwald, Los Angeles, CA 90049 > 48. Phyllis Wender, New York, NY 10021 > 49. Susan Yankowitz, New York, N.Y. 10024 > 50. Karen Cooper, New York, NY 10014 > 51 Alice Arlen, 1120 Fifth Avenue, New York, NY 10128 > 52 Honor Moore, 276 Riverside Drive, New York City 10025 > 53 Susan Kleckner, New York, NY 10128 > 54 Elizabeth de Bethune, Yonkers, New York > 55. Randi Davenport, Chapel Hill, North Carolina 27516 > 56. Miriam Lieberman, Chapel Hill, North Carolina 27516 > 57. Pamela St. John, Chapel Hill, North Carolina 27516 > 58. Lun Steuart, Chapel Hill, North Carolina &n! bsp;27514 > 59. Salli Benedict, Carrboro, North Carolina 27510 > 60. Kristine Kelsey, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, 27516 > 61. April Tacey-Dickinson, Chapel Hill, NC 27516 > 62. Woman Within Empowerment Circle of Raleigh/Chapel Hill, NC 27516 > 63. Melva Fager Okun, Carrboro, NC 27510 > 64. Diane Fager, Chicago IL 60618 > 65. Barbara Engel, Chicago IL 60615 > 66. Julie Rodwell, Ashland OR 97520 > 67. Donna Corso, Ashland OR 97520 > 68. Julia Rose Dekker, Ashland, OR 97520 > 69. Jeanne Thompson, Santa Cruz CA 95062 70. Joy Harmon, Asheville, NC 28803 71. Jenny Dowd, Prunedale, CA 93907 72.JoAnne Bailey, Los Angeles, CA 90025

Subject N.Y. Times Full-Page ad: NO WAR! Date Wed Dec 11 2002 20:30 Author Eli Pariser (moveon-help@list.moveon.org)

Dear MoveOn members & supporters, It couldn't have happened without your help. But because so many of us pitched in, today we're running a full-page ad calling on President Bush to "Let the Inspections Work" in the New York Times. Over 14,500 of us contributed, and at last count the petition has over 178,000 signers. You can take a look at the ad online at: http://www.moveon.org/inspections/Inspections4.pdf We've also attached below an excerpt from today's New York Times reporting on our efforts and on the new Win Without War coalition we've helped found. Publishing the ad alone is quite an achievement. But we can raise the level of attention it receives by making a few follow-up phone calls. Please let your Representative, your Senators, and the President know right now that you'd like the Bush Administration to let the inspections work. You can reach them at: President Bush White House Comment Line: (202) 456-1414 (Note: Some of these people may be leaving office, but they're still your representatives until January.) Our friends at Working Assets and TrueMajority will also be making calls this week, asking our elected representatives to let the inspections work. If we each make a few phone calls, we can ensure that our country's leaders hear our message loud and clear. Thank you for being a part of a terrifically successful campaign. Sincerely, --Eli Pariser International Campaigns Director MoveOn.org December 9th, 2002 P.S. Yesterday, a group including Matt Damon, Samuel Jackson, Dave Matthews, Martin Sheen, Anjelica Huston, and forty other public figures and celebrities held a press conference in support of the new Win Without War coalition, which will be launched at a press conference today. In the next few days, you'll see yet another MoveOn.org New York Times ad -- we're co-sponsoring the artists' terrific statement. You can check out the ad and sign on to the statement on our main page: http://www.moveon.org Here's an excerpt from today's New York Times story reporting the press conference and the new coalition we helped found: The celebrity group is part of a larger coalition called Win Without War that will officially begin on Wednesday. Backed by national religious and civic organizations, including the National Council of Churches, the N.A.A.C.P., the National Organization for Women and the Sierra Club, organizers said the group's purpose was to emphasize what they called a mainstreaming of the antiwar movement. "We are patriotic Americans who share President Bush's belief that Saddam Hussein's Iraq cannot be allowed to acquire weapons of mass destruction," reads the coalition's political mission statement. "We part ways with the president, however, on the issue of pre-emptive military attack against Iraq." One of the founding organizations, MoveOn.Org, started an online signature campaign a week ago titled "Let the Inspections Work." Within days, it gathered more than 175,000 signatures and over $300,000 in donations to buy antiwar advertisements in national media outlets. "There is significant energy building out there," said Eli Pariser, the internet-based group's international campaign director. For the full story, go to: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/11/national/11PROT.html This is a message from MoveOn.org.

Subject THOUGHTS ON THE TIMES Date Sun Dec 22 2002 20:13 Author CATHY (CATHYDSANDY@AOL.COM)

To say that extremists hate America because of our diversity, or because they are jealous of our wealth is just burying our head in the sand and taking a stance of superiority! In my view Muslim extremists hate the U.S. because of our constant interference in their regions and because of our arrogance - our continuing view of Manifest Destiny, that God is "Our" God, and on our side, we are the "Best" and therefore can do what we want, including bringing our politics and culture to nations that either don't want it or aren't ready for it. It isn't American's that they hate, it's our government and it's intrusive policy. Extremists are members of every religion, even Christianity; Timothy McVey, those that kill doctors and bomb abortion clinics, people who openly state they approve of locking up all Muslims without due process, who would prefer to deploy our troops in the Near and Middle East, even Jerry Falwell, all are extremists who would use hate as a weapon against those that are different from themselves. The President is now giving school vouchers to fund religious education's with public money. There are messages all over the news and the internet from the religious right regarding our country being founded on Christianity, stating that therefore we should reinstate prayer in school, force children to recite the Pledge of Allegiance etc. If this "War on terrorism" is indeed a war on religious totalitarianism as I believe it is (in part), we should then first remove the speck from our own eye! Terrorism is a tool used by those that haven't an army sufficient to fight an army that does. Palestinians use terrorism, just as other poor nations do.... this is the only weapon in their arsenal. Have we learned nothing from the continuing struggle in Israel, that to fight terror with retaliation will only lead to more bloodshed? This conflict can only be ended with a true understanding and acceptance of one another, an end to the superior stance of our nation and its citizens. We have a moral assignment as citizens of the richest, most capable and innovative society history has ever seen. With good old American know how we could and should attack things like poverty and Aids, not poor nations for their resources, and then mask our activities under the guise of routing out terrorism! Unfortunately, I fear that this cannot happen with the current political climate, if ever. Our citizens and administration are far too sure that we are the best, that Christianity is the only path to salvation, that we have nothing to learn from other nations failures and successes. Those issues combined give us the right to do as we please abroad, Manifest Destiny. With this attitude, and that of terrorists who have the same beliefs about their own faith and country, we are headed to a place that I'm afraid we have never seen before. Let us all work together with one voice, loud enough to be heard in our nations capitol and around the world. Let us vote.... hopefully one day more level heads will prevail!

Subject New Universal Peace Net Date Mon Dec 23 2002 22:23 Author World Peace Net

Dear friends of Peace A new place for talking about peace and peace-projects is born. The universal world-peace-net does not belong to any organisation, nation or religion, but is dedicated to all seekers of peace. Prayer or meditation may be an important positive influence for a better world. But essential is also a communication-place, where everyone may meet and share ideas what to do .. in spiritual or concrete peaceful ways, to help mankind and Mother Earth. It's not our aim to replace peace forums and organisations that do exist already, but to connect them. So, I hope to meet you once in our peace net http://www.world-peace-net.org best wishes World Peace Net

Subject Flowers of Peace to Islam Date Sat Dec 28 2002 17:30 Author Tim Tipene (F4NV@yahoo.co.nz)

Flowers of peace to Islam. On the 27th of January, representatives of the United Nations will report on the weapons inspection in Iraq. America and Britain are hoping to lead an attack on Iraq following this date. I ask that this be the day for you to give a flower to Islam as a symbol of peace and to demonstrate that you do not support this intention of mass violence on Iraq. Either lay flowers at the gate of a mosque in your area or give a flower to a Muslim. But please respect Muslim tradition. Men only give flowers of peace to Muslim men, and women only give flowers of peace to Muslim women. Through this act, our government will witness our desire for peaceful, non-violent resolutions; and that we do not want our country to be party to war. Our government’s attempts to support the violence against Iraq, in order to please America, will only bring acts of violence to us all. Please. Our cry for non-violence encourages peace. Our silence will only add to the violence. Regardless of what happens before or on the 27th of January, please give flowers of peace to Islam, on the day. God bless. Regards Tim Tipene. Please forward this message to others.

Subject WAR CRISIS - MIDDLE EAST Date Sat Jan 4 2003 17:36 Author Acheson Intelligence Group (terrorism@postmaster.co.uk)

THE 'WAR ON TERROR' IS THE GREATEST ARMED ROBBERY OF ALL TIME: http://www.thedebate.org/ WILL TROOPS SIEZE IRAQ'S OILFIELDS FIRST? WAR HAS ALREADY ENABLED THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN OIL PIPELINE IN AFGHANISTAN, WHICH WAS PLANNED IN 1998: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2608713.stm (But the war in Afghanistan was supposedly a response to attacks that did not take place until September 11 2001 !) WILL SAUDI ARABIA, IRAN, LIBYA & OTHER KEY OIL PRODUCERS BE NEXT? (Saudi Arabia is the world's main oil producer. Iraq is world oil producer number two). American troops are about to take part in the "war on terror", backed by the American taxpayer, who lives under threat of terrorism after decades of anti-arab foreign policies. Clearly the middle-east war is not about fighting terrorism because terrorism and instability will increase as a result of attacks on Iraq, as the CIA admits: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2315967.stm Clearly the Iraq war is not about saving the Iraqi people because they will suffer and die as a result of the war. If you drop bombs on people you maim and kill them. Their suffering increases. Millions of angry new Osama bin Ladens will be created all over the world, while the oil and defence industries will make $billions more. The "war on terror" was planned long before the attacks of September 11 2001, to install puppet regimes in oil-rich Middle Eastern countries. The new Aghan premier even worked for Unocal, an American oil company that helped to draw up plans for the Centgas consortium's Caspian Sea pipeline in Afghanistan. That pipeline was planned back in 1998 and a new regime there was discussed at that time. http://www.thedebate.org/ (The 9-11 attacks could have been prevented because American intelligence knew that known terrorists were training as pilots in America but they failed to arrest them - or even alert airports. FBI agents were ordered not to investigate 9-11 terrorists). http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2025534.stm Troops may sieze Iraqi oilfields before they do anything else. Iraq is the world's second greatest source of oil. The killing will quickly spread to Saudi Arabia, the world's greatest oil producer. Then Jordan, Libya and other oil-producers may be attacked and their oil assets siezed by America - the world's greatest oil consumer. Bush and most of his cabinet are from the oil industry, which funded them into power. Oil pays the piper so oil calls the tune. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1138000/1138009.stm The threat we now face arose because America armed both Iraq and Israel. The arming of Israel led to the September 11 attacks: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1552000/1552900.stm The arming of Iraq now threatens the world. http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002-09-30-iraq-ushelp_x.htm ACHESON INTELLIGENCE GROUP "Welcome to the truth." keywords: oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield. oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, oil, war, iraq, saudi, arabia, saudi arabia, oilfield, ACHESON INTELLIGENCE GROUP

Subject ARMED ROBBERY Date Thu Jan 23 2003 15:27 Author Acheson Intelligence Group (terrorism@postmaster.co.uk)

US Secretary of State Colin Powell said the United States would hold Iraq's oilfields "in trust" for the Iraqi people. Trust? What an amusing choice of words. The Iraqi people do not want Americans to kill them in order to hold the oil "in trust". It's their oil. They have no choice. Men with guns will come to sieze the oil. It's like breaking into somebody's home and saying you will hold their posessions "in trust". American troops will sieze oilfields and kill innocent people in the process. This is armed robbery on a grand scale. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2686185.stm

Subject G.W. Bush and Cohorts Date Mon Jan 6 2003 13:15 Author FIGU (info@figu.org)

First of all there is G.W. Bush, his position at the moment being president of the United States of America; but, there are also various other powerful in states, like Joschka Fischer in Germany, Toni Blair in England, Saddam Husain in Iraq, Sharon in Israel, Arafat in Palestine and other powerful and all their followers in governments and peoples. Yet, there are also the religious-fundamental, fanatical and insane terrorists of all kinds as well as lone wolves. Overall, all of them have one thing in common, they bring death and ruin to mankind, and immense destruction to the world or a least advocate it, when they are not directly involved. In this world at this time, US-President G.W. Bush is the most dangerous, biggest and most powerful warmongering figure among the various and powerful of different countries, as for instance England and Germany, which take up an extraordinary submissive position and agree with the war-waging howling American, G.W. Bush, who, with the agreement of the so-called "World Peace Organisation", U.N., wants to start a war with Iraq. This war could result in terrible consequences, and mankind and its planets could be plunged into an immense catastrophe, whereby uncountable human lives could simply be wiped out. Basically, a single man with the name of G.W. Bush has unleashed all this. Thus, one has to ask oneself what he understands under responsibility for mankind and for his people of which he will unscrupulously send thousands, man and woman soldiers, into a battle, which is more than questionable, and many will lose their lives on the American, as well as on the other side of the so-called enemy. In fact, how power-hungry, irresponsible, fearful and cowardly must a human being be, when he accepts the death of human beings through naked force, and thoughtlessly destroys human achievements through his decree and that of his cohorts, or carries out all the evils and inhumanity himself as is done by loners and terrorists working in groups? Yet, he who is a warmonger and unleashes war as the mighty and powerful and overbearing high-handed statesman G.W. Bush and all the powerful of all those countries who sing the same tune, and let their blood-thirsty war-cry sound in all shades of evil - never has the right to claim or hold a position of power. Their only aim is to engage other countries into wars, to spread themselves out as if they owned everything, as well as spreading death, depravity and destruction. However, also jointly responsible are all the warmongers pleading, sparking or advocating the war and howling along, even when they themselves do not want to participate directly as this for instance - at least recently - is the case with Germany and England. This also includes all those people who support the war and howl with the warmongering wolves. Moreover, all of the guilty, fearful and cowardly warmongering powerful and mighty at the head of state as well as uninformed stupid citizens in bondage with them are never in the position to take responsibility for their criminal actions against mankind. Many of them lack the consciousness for responsibility, common sense and the necessary mind and reason and required intelligence, to even recognize the catastrophic consequences in the end to their advocating for war, sparking war and leading war. And human beings who lack these characteristic features, should neither be voted into government by the people, nor be tolerated, when they, with presumptuousness appoint or nominate themselves into office or a position of power. All those people who are slaves to such unfit warmongers, and those who dull the senses of the people, as well as being in league with unscrupulous elements who sacrifice people in the end, screaming yes and hurray to each political, sectarian or military degeneration and vile deed, and join the chorus of blood-thirsty human beings should be made accountable for their actions through responsible and reasonable thinking people. Force breeds force, war breeds war, terror breeds terror. That must finally be clear and understood by the human beings of Earth. Therefore, the warmongering, powerful and mighty in state must be removed and should not even be voted into high positions. G.W. Bush also does not belong into the powerful position, which was played his way unscrupulously and irresponsibly by some of the people of the USA. His aim is to abuse the power for his warmongering and exercising of power. Whereby he disregards and ignores all those pleading and reasonable voices of the people who resist and speak out against all warmongering, all terror as well as death penalty, like billions of reasonable and truly peace-loving human beings around the world do. Yet, they are not listened to by the guilty responsible and powerful, because they in fact will step over dead bodies of women, children and men as well as destroy achievements of human beings, gained in hard and laborious work. Human beings in powerful positions of governments, who practise terror, have to be removed in a responsible manner by the people. All this insanity can only be stopped then, when mankind stands jointly together, learns and respects the laws of life and only lets human beings be in government and positions of power who do not intend to bring their power and high-handedness, overbearing as well as greed for profit into play, but who in fact work for the people in a selfless, unpretentious and virtuous manner and with goodness of heart generate goodness of heart, and by peace generate peace and by true freedom generate true freedom. To reach this aim, people have to vote human beings into the highest positions who, through their effort prove solely to care for the welfare of the people and each single human being, and govern without greed for power and money. SSSC December 30th, 2002 11.31 pm Billy

Subject Somebody Blew Up America Date Thu Jan 9 2003 03:49 Author By Amiri Baraka (wepress@con2.com)

Somebody Blew Up America By Amiri Baraka They say its some terrorist, some barbaric A Rab, in Afghanistan It wasn't our American terrorists It wasn't the Klan or the Skin heads Or the them that blows up nigger Churches, or reincarnates us on Death Row It wasn't Trent Lott Or David Duke or Giuliani Or Schundler, Helms retiring It wasn't The gonorrhea in costume The white sheet diseases That have murdered black people Terrorized reason and sanity Most of humanity, as they pleases They say (who say?) Who do the saying Who is them paying Who tell the lies Who in disguise Who had the slaves Who got the bux out the Bucks Who got fat from plantations Who genocided Indians Tried to waste the Black nation Who live on Wall Street The first plantation Who cut your nuts off Who rape your ma Who lynched your pa Who got the tar, who got the feathers Who had the match, who set the fires Who killed and hired Who say they God & still be the Devil Who the biggest only Who the most goodest Who do Jesus resemble Who created everything Who the smartest Who the greatest Who the richest Who say you ugly and they the goodlookingest Who define art Who define science Who made the bombs Who made the guns Who bought the slaves, who sold them Who called you them names Who say Dahmer wasn't insane Who? Who? Who? Who stole Puerto Rico Who stole the Indies, the Philipines, Manhattan Australia & The Hebrides Who forced opium on the Chinese Who own them buildings Who got the money Who think you funny Who locked you up Who own the papers Who owned the slave ship Who run the army Who the fake president Who the ruler Who the banker Who? Who? Who? Who own the mine Who twist your mind Who got bread Who need peace Who you think need war Who own the oil Who do no toil Who own the soil Who is not a nigger Who is so great ain't nobody bigger Who own this city Who own the air Who own the water Who own your crib Who rob and steal and cheat and murder and make lies the truth Who call you uncouth Who live in the biggest house Who do the biggest crime Who go on vacation anytime Who killed the most niggers Who killed the most Jews Who killed the most Italians Who killed the most Irish Who killed the most Africans Who killed the most Japanese Who killed the most Latinos Who? Who? Who? Who own the ocean Who own the airplanes Who own the malls Who own television Who own radio Who own what ain't even known to be owned Who own the owners that ain't the real owners Who own the suburbs Who suck the cities Who make the laws Who made Bush president Who believe the confederate flag need to be flying Who talk about democracy and be lying Who the Beast in Revelations Who 666 Who know who decide Jesus get crucified Who the Devil on the real side Who got rich from Armenian genocide Who the biggest terrorist Who change the bible Who killed the most people Who do the most evil Who don't worry about survival Who have the colonies Who stole the most land Who rule the world Who say they good but only do evil Who the biggest executioner Who? Who? Who? Who own the oil Who want more oil Who told you what you think that later you find out a lie Who? Who? Who? Who found Bin Laden, maybe they Satan Who pay the CIA, Who knew the bomb was gonna blow Who know why the terrorists Learned to fly in Florida, San Diego Who know why Five Israelis was filming the explosion And cracking they sides at the notion Who need fossil fuel when the sun ain't goin' nowhere Who make the credit cards Who get the biggest tax cut Who walked out of the Conference Against Racism Who killed Malcolm, Kennedy & his Brother Who killed Dr King, Who would want such a thing? Are they linked to the murder of Lincoln? Who invaded Grenada Who made money from apartheid Who keep the Irish a colony Who overthrow Chile and Nicaragua later Who killed David Sibeko, Chris Hani, the same ones who killed Biko, Cabral, Neruda, Allende, Che Guevara, Sandino, Who killed Kabila, the ones who wasted Lumumba, Mondlane, Betty Shabazz, Die, Princess Di, Ralph Featherstone, Little Bobby Who locked up Mandela, Dhoruba, Geronimo, Assata, Mumia, Garvey, Dashiell Hammett, Alphaeus Hutton Who killed Huey Newton, Fred Hampton, Medgar Evers, Mikey Smith, Walter Rodney, Was it the ones who tried to poison Fidel Who tried to keep the Vietnamese Oppressed Who put a price on Lenin's head Who put the Jews in ovens, and who helped them do it Who said "America First" and ok'd the yellow stars Who killed Rosa Luxembourg, Liebneckt Who murdered the Rosenbergs And all the good people iced, tortured, assassinated, vanished Who got rich from Algeria, Libya, Haiti, Iran, Iraq, Saudi, Kuwait, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Palestine, Who cut off peoples hands in the Congo Who invented Aids Who put the germs In the Indians' blankets Who thought up "The Trail of Tears" Who blew up the Maine & started the Spanish American War Who got Sharon back in Power Who backed Batista, Hitler, Bilbo, Chiang kai Chek Who decided Affirmative Action had to go Reconstruction, The New Deal, The New Frontier, The Great Society, Who do Tom Ass Clarence Work for Who doo doo come out the Colon's mouth Who know what kind of Skeeza is a Condoleeza Who pay Connelly to be a wooden negro Who give Genius Awards to Homo Locus Subsidere Who overthrew Nkrumah, Bishop, Who poison Robeson, who try to put DuBois in Jail Who frame Rap Jamil al Amin, Who frame the Rosenbergs, Garvey, The Scottsboro Boys, The Hollywood Ten Who set the Reichstag Fire Who knew the World Trade Center was gonna get bombed Who told 4000 Israeli workers at the Twin Towers To stay home that day Why did Sharon stay away? Who? Who? Who? Explosion of Owl the newspaper say The devil face cd be seen Who make money from war Who make dough from fear and lies Who want the world like it is Who want the world to be ruled by imperialism and national oppression and terror violence, and hunger and poverty. Who is the ruler of Hell? Who is the most powerful Who you know ever Seen God? But everybody seen The Devil Like an Owl exploding In your life in your brain in your self Like an Owl who know the devil All night, all day if you listen, Like an Owl Exploding in fire. We hear the questions rise In terrible flame like the whistle of a crazy dog Like the acid vomit of the fire of Hell Who and Who and WHO who who Whoooo and Whooooooooooooooooooooo! http://www.amiribaraka.com/

	Subject IRAQ INSPECTIONS MEETINGS Date Sat Jan 11 2003 00:24 Author MOVE ON.org / Democracy In Action (support@meetings.moveon.org)
On January 21st, across the country, thousands of us will be urging our Senators and Representatives to tell the Bush Administration to let the inspections work. Sign up here to join the effort.... http://www.moveon.org/inspectionsmeetings/

	Subject No War!!! Date Thu Jan 16 2003 14:18 Author SquidAdler (Metal_Gear_Rex52@hotmail.com)
hey hey hey! Its SquidAdler here!! yeah! lets keep on posting messages to help avoid the war. I agree with ne1 who agrees that the war shoudnt happen!

Subject Blue Ribbons for Peace Date Fri Jan 17 2003 17:37 Author M.Scanlon (mascan@aol.com)

BLUE RIBBONS FOR PEACE As the threat of war with Iraq grows and the Korean situation worsens, increasing numbers of Americans are calling for the White House to avoid war and find peaceful solutions to our global problems. Though President Bush and his Cabinet may not hear individual voices, there is a way to show him just how many of us do not support military aggression on these issues. HERE’S WHAT YOU CAN DO: Use a blue ribbon to show your support. Tie a ribbon on your car antenna, attach it to your mailbox, wear it on your lapel. THEN… Send a ribbon to President Bush (1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20500) Send ribbons to your senators (Sen. ___, U.S. Senate, Washington, DC 20510) Send ribbons to your representatives (Con. ____, House of Representatives, Washington, DC 20515) LOOKING FOR MORE? Take a box of ribbons to work, to the gym, to your children’s school. Encourage everyone to take two ribbons: one to wear and one to send. One ribbon won’t make a difference but hundreds of thousands will. Pass this message on.

Subject Iraq: More Lies Date Fri Jan 24 2003 11:25 Author Oil War (oilwar@postmaster.co.uk)

Iraq has equipped its elite forces with chemical protection suits. This is clearly because America has more chemical weapons than any other nation. Iraqi opposition and the Western media have cited this as evidence of Iraq's intention to use chemical weapons. But our forces have also been given protection suits. Do they plan to use chemical weapons? Protection means protection. Not attack. More lies. http://www.thedebate.org/

	Subject DubAmerika- The mp3 Date Fri Jan 24 2003 09:36 Author Uncle Ted (uncletedsgarage@yahoo.com)
Are you disgusted at our buffoon of a president? Worried about Gulf Wars II Clone of the Attack? Like father, like son, they say. Well we’ve had enough. Listen to “Dubamerika” to experience your frustration put to music. Feel free to link to this page and to pass this mp3 around http://home.pacifier.com/~tbulger/dubamerika/dubindex.html Peace, Uncle Ted UncleTedsGarage@yahoo.com

Subject NOT IN OUR NAME Fundraiser/Berkeley Date Wed Feb 5 2003 18:08 Author Rob Brezsny (beautyandtruth@freewillastrology.com)

(Posted by a Friend who wanted to share the beauty of the description for inspiration) Rob Brezsny's Free Will Astrology Newsletter is brought to you by the moral equivalent to war + Philosopher William James proposed that if our culture ever hoped to shed the deeply ingrained habit of going to war, we'd have to create a moral equivalent. It's not enough to preach the value of peace, he said. We have to find other ways to channel our aggressive instincts in order to accomplish what war does, like stimulate political unity and civic virtue. Astrology provides a complementary perspective. Each of us has the warrior energy of the planet Mars in our psychological make-up. We can't afford to simply repress it, but must find a positive way to express it. Any ideas, dear readers? + February 5, 2003 + www.beautyandtruth.com + MASS OUTBREAK OF PRONOIA I was lucky enough to wander into a mass outbreak of PRONOIA* on the night of January 31. To the casual observer, it was a musical fundraiser for Not In Our Name at the Berkeley Community Theater. But to anyone hungry for rowdy blessings, sacred uproars, and lusty compassion, the event was dramatic evidence that a gorgeous new world is birthing itself amidst the dank chaos of the dying civilization. About 3,000 poems disguised as people attended this Pep Rally for Pronoia. While there was plenty of creative anger expressed at the American government's dishonest and immoral rush towards war against Iraq, the predominant mood was embodied in the buoyant dance groove laid down by Michael Franti and Spearhead's celebratory song, "Power to the Peaceful." Three thousand of us leaped rhythmically into the air as we helped the band sing our new planet into existence. Saul Williams made us shiver with joy and inspiration as he delivered his blazingly tender poetic invocations. The man is a humble force of nature and a master alchemist. He's able to express both an ingenious love for the sublime glory of creation and a holy rage against the plutocratic phallocrats who are vandalizing it. Ani DiFranco is an electrifying performer. She broke our hearts with lyrics like "The hawk keeps circling above the strip mall," "Take away our playstations and we're a Third World nation," and "There's a traffic jam on the road to nowhere." But she also lent her genius to the vision of the new world we're creating together, blessing us with reminders like "Practice happiness," "Put some beauty back into the world," "I've been falling in love again and again all day long." The Latino hip-hop of Ozomatli was infectious, melodic, and arousing. It was also exuberantly anti-war, anti-violence, and anti-hatred. Even if I had been oblivious to their message, I could not have stopped my body from breaking into full-out Dionysian dancing. But as I fed from the double infusion of kick- ass music and thrilling idealism, I lived (and danced) in paradise. In recognition of their stellar contributions to building a wildly exciting, intensely interesting peace on Earth, I hereby nominate Michael Franti, Spearhead, Saul Williams, Ani DiFranco, and Ozomatli for the Nobel Peace Prize. I also nominate them for Grammies, MacArthur Foundation "Genius" grants, all-expense-paid vacations to Burning Man (the capital city of our new planet), and their own TV show. *PRONOIA. For those of you who haven't heard the word, pronoia is the sneaking suspicion that the whole world is conspiring to shower you with blessings; the growing conviction that life is inherently designed to liberate you from suffering, fill you with joy, and make you really smart. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ LINKS to the above-mentioned heroes and geniuses: Not in Our Name: www.notinourname.net * Michael Franti and Spearhead: www.spearheadvibrations.com Michael Franti and Spearhead: www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005BGUT/qid%3D104 4126368/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102- 9441499-7580944" * Saul Williams: www.annonline.com/interviews/990715/biography.html Saul Williams: www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/- /B00005QKBM/qid=1044126232/sr=1- 1/ref=sr_1_1/102-9441499-7580944?v=glance&s=music * Ani DiFranco: www.righteousbabe.com/ani Ani DiFranco: www.columbia.edu/~marg/ani/ * Ozomatli: www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005NWLD/qid=1044 126175/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2_2/102-9441499-7580944 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Subject Iraq War Lies Date Author oil war (oilwar@postmaster.co.uk)

http://www.thedebate.org/ It has always been inevitable that the governments of Britain & America would attack Iraq and sieze Iraq's oil. The lengths they have gone to and the depths they have plumbed are disturbing. This shocking "intelligence" scandal exemplifies the campaign of spin, propaganda & outright lies about Iraq. The latest intelligence dossier about Iraq was copied, almost word-for-word, from old articles, including one written by a student about Iraq's activities in 1990 - before the last gulf war! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2736149.stm The report, presented as current, relevant intelligence by Britain and praised by Colin Powell, was not only hopelessly out of date. It was riddled with errors, including original typing errors. It is ironic that Mr Powell described the fabricated document's "exquisite detail" regarding Iraq's deception activities. The document itself is clearly a deception, though it is hardly exquisite. Some parts were even embellished and exaggerated, in order to make Iraq look worse and to suggest a link between Iraq and terrorism. Where the original document read "aiding OPPOSITION GROUPS", the new document, changed by the British government, now reads "supporting TERRORIST ORGANISATIONS". http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2735031.stm [BBC News] Clearly this information is not credible. Clearly it is 12 years out of date. Clearly it is inaccurate. Clearly it has been knowingly altered, making it even more so. CLEARLY WE ARE BEING LIED TO, MANIPULATED AND MISLED OVER IRAQ! America's recent show to the UN was equally flawed and equally ridiculous. And in choosing to present their "evidence" to the public like a circus instead of using the proper channels, the American government is itself in breach of UN Resolution 1441 (Section 10). So many of the points made are untrue. For example, the CIA has long acknowledged that Iraq could not have gassed the Kurds (who are NOT Saddam's "own people") because Iraq has never had access to the nerve agent used. In fact the Kurds are Iraq's enemy. And it is the Kurds (Iraq's enemy) who are thought to have harboured al-Qaida members - not Iraq. Clearly Britain and America are desperate be to attack Iraq and steal their oil. keywords: iraq, war, oil, lies, propaganda, britain, america, british, american, government, oil, fields, oil field, intelligence, dossier, iraq, war, oil, propaganda, lies, dossier, britain, america, british, american, government, oil, fields, oil field, intelligence, iraq, war, oil, lies, britain, america, british, american, government, oil, fields, oil field, intelligence. iraq war oil propaganda lies britain america british american government oil fields oil field intelligence. iraq, war, oil, lies, britain, america, british, american, government, oil, fields, oil field, intelligence, iraq, war, oil, lies, propaganda, britain, america, british, american, government, oil, fields, oil field, intelligence, iraq, war, oil, lies, britain, america, british, american, government, oil, fields, oil field, intelligence. iraq war oil lies britain america british american government oil fields oil field intelligence

Subject Time will tell Date Wed Apr 2 2003 20:32 Author Jim (D.Poole@kudos-idd.com)

Don't confuse Britain with its government, ditto America. The British Government consists of a group of people who got into power because the British people were so disgusted with politicians per se that they couldn't face the prospect of voting. As a result the government got in with the lowest electoral turnout in history. George Bush's election is well documented. I don't judge Germans on the behaviour of Adolf Hitler, Americans on the behaviour of George Bush or Donald Rumsfeld or muslim people on the behaviour of Sadam Hussein. I'm also not convinced by the oil argument. Britain has its own supply of high grade crude. Middle Eastern crude is plentiful but of low quality. I think the oil argument is more accurately "what can you buy with the worlds 2nd largest supply of oil" problem. I do believe that Sadam and his regime are not worthy of the Iraqi people but I think this is a problem for the Muslim nations to sort out. If they had asked for Britain and America's help then I would feel more comfortable with the situation. As it stands I feel that this war is possibly the worst idea that has ever echoed around the hollowness that is the inside of a politicians head. It is 2nd only to the bunch of cretins who decided crashing airliners into skyscrapers was a good idea.

Subject We should not go to war with Iraq Date Sat Feb 8 2003 00:46 Author Kiwi

The United States is facing a dilemma. A madman is loose, he is in charge of a country and is seeking nuclear weapons. There is no doubt that he has used WMD (weapons of mass destruction) on his own people before, and It is doubtful that he would have any qualms against using them on us. Despite this, a US occupation or attack on Iraq would be unjust, immoral, and likely result in negative consequences for the United States. A US attack on Iraq without the approval of the UN Security Council is not only a bad idea, but it goes against the constitution. The constitution states that “This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.”(U.S. Constitution, article VI) The UN charter states “All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state.” (Charter, article 2) If it is against the constitution to go to violate the UN charter, and it is against the UN charter for us to go to war, than it is against the constitution to go to war with Iraq. America must set the precedent for the world. How can we claim to support freedom and justice when by doing so we are breaking the “Supreme law of the land”? Even if a violation of the constitution is not a good enough reason for us to stop war mongering, there is a plethora of strictly logical reasons against the war on Iraq. What will attacking Iraq do other than give us the hatred of the third world? We might be able to remove Saddam from power, but it is unlikely. We never found Osama bin Laden, despite the fact that we are occupying Afghanistan, and it is well documented that Saddam has far more organized leadership and a more competent intelligence service. He has millions of supporters, and could hide with any one of them, just as well as he is currently hiding his WMD. There is also a possibility of the US finding Iraq’s alleged chemical weapons. At this moment, the UN weapons inspectors can look any were in the country that they want, and if we knew were any of it was, we would have found it by now. If we do find were it is, we send our weapons inspectors there and they will detain and destroy any weapons. What more could we do if we occupied Iraq? Secretary of State Coulin Powell says that we would be able to interrogate the scientists that are worked on the projects. As US satellite pictures saw, though, the stockpiles can and are moved. How will it help to interrogate the scientist? If there is a stockpile that cannot be moved, do you think Saddam will let the scientist who knows were it is live? All we are likely to do with the war is get some of their scientists killed along with members of their military and their civilians. There is a reason why we don’t have UN approval for the war on Iraq: the majority of the world does not support a war. With the opinion of the US as low as it is, another blow to our popularity would most certainly be harmful to the interests of the United States. The worse the US appears in the eyes of the world, the more likely it is that our resolutions will be vetoed in the future, and the less aid we are likely to get when we get into an armed conflict. Attacking Iraq would work against US interests. A war would bring misery and death to the Iraqi people, and make the Middle East even more set in there hatred of America. Attacking Iraq would disregard international law, and violate the constitution. A moral, peaceful solution is the one that we must strive for unless we wish to cast the values of justice and peace into the crematory. If Colin Powell thinks a peaceful solution is possible in North Korea, why isn’t it in Iraq? I believe that it is. In time, I believe that the weapons inspectors will find any WMD that Iraq has. I believe that we stand against a war, and come out of Iraq peacefully, and not only will the world praise us for it, but we will live in a more peaceful and free world. Then again, what do I know? I’m just a 10th grade humanities student. U.S. Constitution, article VI. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlevi.html Charter of the United Nations, article 2. http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/index.html

	Subject peace mobilization! Date Sat Feb 8 2003 11:23 Author tabby (peacemobilization@mindspring.com)
http://www.peacemobilization.org/

Subject WHAT EUROPE THINKS Date Sat Feb 8 2003 13:53 Author Brian Eno

Subject: What Europe thinks Dear friends and colleagues worldwide, The following article was written by musician Brian Eno and appeared in TIME EUROPE. A group of us are sending it to friends and colleagues in the US and Canada and North Americans worldwide in the hope that we can publicise what many Europeans are thinking about the relentless drive to war. We would appreciate if you could also forward it to residents of the US and North Americans worldwide. As you will see, Eno writes as someone who loves the US and a lot of what it stands for, so there is praise among the criticism. If you agree with the sentiments, we would really appreciate it if you send it on. The U.S. Needs to Open Up to the World To this European, America is trapped in a fortress of arrogance and ignorance BY BRIAN ENO Europeans have always looked at America with a mixture of fascination and puzzlement, and now, increasingly, disbelief. How is it that a country that prides itself on its economic success could have so many very poor people? How is it that a country so insistent on the rule of law should seek to exempt itself from international agreements? And how is it that the world's beacon of democracy can have elections dominated by wealthy special interest groups? I could fill this page with the names of Americans who have influenced, entertained and educated me. They represent what I admire about America: a vigorous originality of thought, and a confidence that things can be changed for the better. That was the America I lived in and enjoyed from 1978 until 1983. That America was an act of faith - the faith that "otherness" was not threatening but nourishing, the faith that there could be a country big enough in spirit to welcome and nurture all the diversity the world could throw at it. But since Sept. 11, that vision has been eclipsed by a suspicious, introverted America, a country-sized version of that peculiarly American form of ghetto: the gated community. A gated community is defensive. Designed to keep the "others" out, it dissolves the rich web of society into a random clustering of disconnected individuals. It turns paranoia and isolation into a lifestyle. Surely this isn't the America that anyone dreamed of; it's a last resort, nobody's choice. It's especially ironic since so much of the best new thinking about society, economics, politics and philosophy in the last century came from America. Unhampered by the snobbery and exclusivity of much European thought, American thinkers vaulted forward - courageous, innovative and determined to talk in a public language. But, unfortunately, over the same period, the mass media vaulted backward, thriving on increasingly simple stories and trivializing news into something indistinguishable from entertainment. As a result, a wealth of original and subtle thought - America's real wealth - is squandered. This narrowing of the American mind is exacerbated by the withdrawal of the left from active politics. Virtually ignored by the media, the left has further marginalized itself by a retreat into introspective cultural criticism. It seems content to do yoga and gender studies, leaving the fundamentalist Christian right and the multinationals to do the politics. The separation of church and state seems to be breaking down too. Political discourse is now dominated by moralizing, like George W. Bush's promotion of American "family values" abroad, and dissent is unpatriotic. "You're either with us or against us" is the kind of cant you'd expect from a zealous mullah, not an American President. When Europeans make such criticisms, Americans assume we're envious. "They want what we've got," the thinking goes, "and if they can't get it, they're going to stop us from having it." But does everyone want what America has? Well, we like some of it but could do without the rest: among the highest rates of violent crime, economic inequality, functional illiteracy, incarceration and drug use in the developed world. President Bush recently declared that the U.S. was "the single surviving model of human progress." Maybe some Americans think this self-evident, but the rest of us see it as a clumsy arrogance born of ignorance. Europeans tend to regard free national health services, unemployment benefits, social housing and so on as pretty good models of human progress. We think it's important - civilized, in fact - to help people who fall through society's cracks. This isn't just altruism, but an understanding that having too many losers in society hurts everyone. It's better for everybody to have a stake in society than to have a resentful underclass bent on wrecking things To many Americans, this sounds like socialism, big government, the nanny state. But so what? The result is: Europe has less gun crime and homicide, less poverty and arguably a higher quality of life than the U.S., which makes a lot of us wonder why America doesn't want some of what we've got. Too often, the U.S. presents the "American way" as the only way, insisting on its kind of free-market Darwinism as the only acceptable "model of human progress." But isn't civilization what happens when people stop behaving as if they're trapped in a ruthless Darwinian struggle and start thinking about communities and shared futures? America as a gated community won't work, because not even the world's sole superpower can build walls high enough to shield itself from the intertwined realities of the 21st century. There's a better form of security: reconnect with the rest of the world, don't shut it out; stop making enemies and start making friends. Perhaps it's asking a lot to expect America to act differently from all the other empires in history, but wasn't that the original idea?

Subject Veterans for Common Sense Date Sat Feb 8 2003 14:07 Author Charles Sheehan-Miles

The following letter is written by a veteran of the first Gulf War. He's started Veterans for Common Sense -- a group of former military folks who oppose the current plans for war on Iraq. If you or someone you know are interested in joining him, please check out their website: http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/ Sincerely, --Eli Pariser MoveOn.org __________________ Dear MoveOn member, Twelve years ago, in February of 1991, I crossed the border between Saudi Arabia and Iraq with the 24th Infantry Division. Back then I was a 20-year-old Abrams tank crewman, and I fought in several battles in southern Iraq. I can say from personal experience, the media got it wrong. The first Gulf War wasn't clean, it wasn't pretty, and it wasn't precise. In the chaos and destruction of battle, anything can happen. We killed a lot of people. Like many of the men and women I served with, I do not believe that President Bush or Secretary of State Powell, in his presentation at the United Nations on Wednesday, has made the case that Iraq poses an imminent threat to the United States. Without proving imminent threat, the administration has failed outright to justify its rush to war. Many senior military leaders, including Generals Norman Schwarzkopf, Anthony Zinni and Wesley Clark, have all questioned the wisdom of another war with Iraq. Thousands of veterans of all U.S. wars have stepped forward, marched in demonstrations and raised their voices to say that the nation they defended should not be attacking other nations. There is no sense of just cause in the U.S. armed forces today. Most recently we veterans have been joined in our message by families with loved ones in the military. Tens of thousands of American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis could die in a long, drawn-out war in Iraq. We need your help to spread our message that veterans oppose this war. We can win without war. How can you help? Join Veterans for Common Sense. Whether you are a veteran, or you have a family member in the military, or you simply support our message, you can join us in calling for a common sense approach to Iraq. We need your support. To find out more, please visit: http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/ Already we have reached across the country through successful press conferences, innumerable appearances on television and radio programs, and op-eds, letters to the editor and interviews published in local, regional and national newspapers. Already we have visited innumerable congressional offices, winning impressive support across the political spectrum. Add your voice to the growing chorus of voices speaking common sense against the rush to war. For more information, and to find out the latest news about a possible war in Iraq, visit our web site: http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org Together we can win without war! Charles Sheehan-Miles Veterans for Common Sense ________________

Subject veterans with no common sence Date Fri Apr 4 2003 21:50 Author Mr. J.B. Wheeler (amf@beanstalk.net)

These people should call themselves Veterans with no common sence! As a Veteran of the United States Air Force I fully support the war in Iraq, as do countless thousands of other Veterans. Mr. Sheehan-Miles should destroy his DD-214! No freedom loving Veteran would stand by and allow Saddam Hussein to get away with the evil he inflicts on his people! Does Saddam Hussein have weapons of mass destruction? I don't know, and I don't care! What I do know about and care about is that we have a chance to rid the world of this evil, evil person and should take advantage of it now!

Subject Does Iraq have Veterans for Commonsense? Date Tue Feb 11 2003 22:51 Author A gulf war veteran (Dontyouwish@yahoo.com)

I was just wondering if Iraqi veterans are organizing to protest the "lies" they have seen from their government? Do they think their continued production and concealment of weapons of mass destruction is a bad policy by their government. Can they protest or organize at all? If you can answer these questions to YOURSELF truthfully and follow the logic you will start to understand these issues with a bit more depth. Your conclusion may come out the same but you will at least have reached that conclusion with your eyes wide open.

	Subject is it relevant? Date Fri Feb 14 2003 23:02 Author Sven (sa050271@t-online.de)
I am german. My grandfather survived Hitler Germany. He experienced cruel oppression, he also experienced the Allies' ruthless bombardment of the city of Dresden. Your point is correct and irrelevant at the same time. No one helps oppressed people by dropping bombs on them. You will hit the wrong guys. Not a pleasant thought, isn't it?

Subject very relevant Date Sat Mar 29 2003 13:27 Author Jim Christensen (jbchristensen@worldnet.att.net)

Obviously Germany learned nothing from that war. They did not see the evil of Hitler coming and they defend Hussein even as his troops shoot refugees trying to leave Bassra. The US did learn something from that war. We are executing a war of precision bombing the likes of which this world has never seen. If the technology had existed in the 1940’s we would have done it then. ‘Human shields’ from several European nations left Iraq today and held a press conference saying their mission was done. They were convinced the US is doing an excellent job of hitting only military targets. The civilian damage they saw was mostly from Iraqi anti aircraft fire.

Subject Petition Letter to Europe Date Thu Feb 13 2003 01:02 Author The staff of AlterNet

With war looming so darkly and protests around the world planned for this weekend, AlterNet.org has initiated a global letter, in conjunction with MoveOn.org, to the people of Europe. Please join us in thanking our European friends for their support in our allied struggle and urge them to demonstrate this weekend and encourage their governments to stand for peace: http://moveon.org/openletter/ (Alternet site: http://www.alternet.org/)

Subject Saddam Hussein=Adolf Hitler Date Fri Apr 4 2003 21:19 Author Mr. J.B. Wheeler (amf@beanstalk.net)

The people of Europe should support the war in Iraq! How many murderous governmental leaders to they need to see before they do something about it? Saddam Hussein orders the killing of women, children, and anyone else who apposes him. How many people does he have to gas? How many civilians does he have to shoot while trying to escape to freedom? Don't you people even care what he is doing to people over there? Perhaps you support his death squads! What is wrong with you people? Have you no soul? A friend tried to tell me that the war is wrong in the eyes of the pope. The Pope said there is never a time for war or violence. My response to his statement was simple. Why then does the Pope have armed guards at the Vatican? Why does he have body guards? If Saddam Husseins Republican Guard were to storm the Vatican, would the Popes guards shoot back? Or would they allow Saddam Hussein to take control if it? I know the answer and so do you!

Subject WAR PROFITS Date Fri Feb 14 2003 12:21 Author oil war (oilwar@postmaster.co.uk)

The oil companies that fund the Bush cabinet are already cashing in on the Iraq Oil War. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1138000/1138009.stm Profits for ExxonMobil, the world's biggest oil company, have soared by 50% already as oil prices surge, fuelled by the oil-funded American government's plans to attack Iraq. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2710597.stm Violence is bringing profits to the oil companies that funded Bush (who is an oilman himself) into power, while ordinary people face an increased threat of terrorism as a result. http://www.thedebate.org/

Subject www.freerepublic.com Date Sat Feb 15 2003 11:32 Author Sven (sa050271@t-online.de)

I just visited that site above and I am horrified that thought as exemplified there is possible in the world's oldest democracy. When peace loving people are referred to as worms, insects and mushrooms then I have to remember what Hitler, Goebbels and Goering spread among our german people as opinion makers in the 30s of last century. Polemics like that, attempts of outcasting opposing opinions like it is done on that website and in its forums: my comments have been taken out in matter of 15 minutes! They obviously weren't pleasant enough, so those guys don't care a great deal in preserving the right for free speech. And that is the very beginning. You have an enemy inside Your country. As a nation powerful enough to use nuclear weapons on others You have the responsibility of keeping guys like those posting messages in that very website from gaining any political power. This isn't a very healthy mainstream ... I do hope it isn't a mainstream at all, but I don't live in the U.S. thus I don't have a depiction of "street opinions" over there. Perhaps some of You can help on that

Subject Lasting Peace Date Sat Feb 15 2003 12:43 Author George Biggs (gbiggs55@hotmail.com)

I would like to talk about a few other wars before I give my comment on the war that faces us now. Hitler trying to take over the world, not caring about the faces and the tears of the innocent millions he slaughtered. The Japanese bombing Pearl again not caring about innocents slaughtered. And Viet Nam with the people of the US seperated in their feelings and millions of our boys slaughtered. If we had stayed out of world war 2 Hitler already had France and was just about to take England, then today there would be no Jewish people and we would be under Hitlers rule. Sometimes people if their is a cancer you have to cut it out before it spreads. If you are bitten by a mad dog you don't tell your doctor you want to wait a few weeks for treatment you get shots to ensure you don't contact the diease. We dropped the bomb on Japan after they had attached us a Pearl and innocent people were killed but in the long run stopping the war when they did they saved countless lives. We must act now and stop Sadium before we have to cry for the millions of our friends and children that are used as white mice in his germ and chemical war. Get behind America less cut out this cancer before it spreads.

Subject You don not recognize the differences Date Sat Feb 15 2003 23:32 Author Sven (sa050271@t-online.de)

Your point of view shows evidence that in Your eyes all those wars You quoted were of the same nature. Regarding history this is an invalid basis thus Your conclusion cannot remain left without further discussion. In the very first place You cannot separate the war against Hitler from the war against Japan as these two countries had a treaty link at those times ("Stahlpakt"). It took president Roosevelt pretty much time, i. e. 2 years, before he decided to participate in that war. The attack on Pearl Harbour then let him no further choice. If Hitler had won WW II or if he had been defeated by Stalin remains another question of less interest for it is one to be answered by mere speculation. The point is: Hitler showed open aggressiveness, ignoring international rules and started the war himself. Vietnam on the other side didn't start a war on You but rather vice versa. America wanted to stop communism. North Vietnam never attempted to enter U.S. territory. War is always a slaughter, there are no "clean" wars, even if TV coverage wants to make us believe that. It wasn't only "Your boys" that became casualties of war but also a lot of Vietnamese guys, among them lots of children. I guess You remember the images, don't You. And don't get me wrong on this: as a German guy I am grateful that Your people freed us from Hitler's rule despite the fact, that the U.S. also made it easy for him before by signing the treaty of Versailles. I am also aware of the fact that the U.S. were the only signers that didn't ratify the treaty - thanks for that, too. But Versailles made it easy for Hitler to rise, destroying the first democracy in Germany. Now for Iraq: Saddam this time hasn't initiated a war. He didn't even make the attempt. Even that he didn't play by U.N. rules which he agreed to before doesn't justify war. You should never forget what war really means. I don't refer to romantic "clean war" depictions in TV that harshly divert from war reality. You fear biological and chemical weapons but there is no evidence of 'em, considering the latest Blix report. There are further differences to Hitler: Saddam in fact had strong U.S. support in the early 80s. Remember the war Iran - Iraq? U.S. provided the weaponry for money. Now that the U.S. cashed in You want the weapons back? Again don't get me wrong: Saddam is a dictator and not only me but all Germans, French and civilian Iraqi want to get rid of him. But since war hits rather civilians than Saddam (evidence: Gulf War I) I cannot support it before any other diplomatic means has been exhausted on that issue. And we are far away from that. And those inspections are another difference to the Third Reich when there were no inspectors at all. Then there is a general questions: Having 30 totalitarian regimes currently in the world, why is it always Iraq the U.S. aims at. Others are not only suspected to carry WMD, but they HAVE nuclear weapons: North Corea e. g. They freely admitted it. But there is hardly diplomatic pressure, there are no weapons' inspectors and there are no troops. You know why? It wouldn't be easy enough. And there we are facing the true reasons for Bush's Iraq policy that is NOT about bringing freedom. Bush doesn't truely care about Iraqi population. He needs a political success. He "won" his first election on the edge, almost hanging over. He had a poor political start and it was - weird as it may sound - the terrorists of 9 / 11 that raised his popularity. But his war against terrorism which he gave up now for obvious reasons failed in its purpose to get Bin Laden dead or alive. This war was in vain from the beginning on. Terrorism is to be dealt with by police methods and thorough investigation, not by sending troops somewhere in good faith that there might be some target (like in Afghanistan). The liberation from the Taliban was a positive side effect but not part of the original purpose of the Afghanistan war. Now he has to present something to his voters. So he chose Iraq thereby psychologically fighting his inner complex to do it better than his daddy did. Bush is said to have passed a red traffic light having drunk too much. Today he passes a lot of political red lights and is about to forcefully hurt international rules. In comparison the breech of international law that will be done by the U.S. by going to war without U.N. mandate might be larger than the violation of Saddam carrying missiles that have an unsignificantly larger range than permitted. So by the criteria of Bush: U.S. has WMD, U.S. violates international law and U.S. have STARTED a war, not defended against one. Tell me who is the aggressor here and who threatens peace most? Again: I don't support Saddam. But he gained power from former U.S. support, he could already be dealt with in another Gulf war that had true justification by the invasion of Kuwait by Saddam. But the U.S. government kept him alive and at power for one reason: they feared another fundamentalist state like Iran might replace Saddam after the war. They considered that possibility the worse choice. Considering what kind of threat Iran means to other countries at the moment, I guess that assessment has been wrong. And now a lot of diplomatic porcelaine is crushed by open announced intentions of the U.S. government to hurt U.N. rules and to play world's strongest country. If international law doesn't apply to the U.S. and the U.S. consider themselves beyond international law, the threat will be clear. And there will be a whole world against the U.S.. Despite its military power, this won't be something the U.S. could possibly deal with. What I do fear are the results of that kind of future development. Nobody can truely want to go that way. International protest against this course of action proves that. And it is good to see that U.S. citizens and U.S. government are not the same thing. Sven

Subject NOONE CAN STOP the NEW WORLD ORDER Date Thu Feb 20 2003 18:37 Author pwrsx (pwrsx@yahoo.com)

Wake Up Tribalist Balkanizers... a New World Order is being born!!! and theres nothing you tribalists can do about it. These 2 historians, Billington and Quigley are FREAKS ok. Their works are like NONE others by ANY other historians. They can change the way you look at the world fundamentally and possibly your lives. James Billington was a Rhodes Scholar, taught history at Princeton and Harvard for 17 years, and is currently the Librarian of Congress. In his "Fire in the Minds of Men" http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0765804719/qid=1045795188/sr=1-10/ref=sr_1_10/103-5591348-9179043?v=glance&s=books he explores(among other things) the workings of the power elite(Illuminati) during the French Rev Carrol Quigley went to Harvard as a child prodigy, and starred as proffesor at Georgetown where, according to Clinton in a famous public speech, he mentored future president Bill Clinton. Dr Quigley's 1300 page "Tragedy and Hope" http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/094500110X/qid=1045793380/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/103-5591348-9179043meticulously details the workings of the power elite during the first half of the 20th century. (Curiously, probably as part of the recent move of the certain elites to slowly make their presence and goals(NWO) known to the public, an obsure little book called "The Illuminati Manifesto" http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=glance&s=books is making its way underground, adding a very real twist to the story) Comically and ironically the left wingers are so sure that the elite Globalists are hard-core right-wingers/fascists AND the crazy right-wingers are convinced they are commy left-wingers. Morons! All the evidence points to the probability that "the power elites of the power elites" are intelligent and can see that rightwing,leftwing are two sides of the same coin of control; a dictatorship of the rich or a dictatorship of the poor! Yes, believe it or not the Illuminati are LIBERTARIAN; but to admit that would mean suicide. Educate yourself _____________________________ A poem for America but how shall that begin? A song before her dying breath when Freedom is the sin Will she wake up from her trance of ancient mysteries self-induced, and finally pull her head out from gods neatly woven noose? The religious or the socialists Im not sure who kills more The Founding Fathers would fight and cry "America, the Whore!" All the gleam and promise all the young and rosy cheeks She is the place where intelligence and passion highest meet But as her twisted adolescence is coming to a close she has no more excuses for her academics' prose For they, they are the fence-sitters the grey souls with no spine professing that Enlightenment means anything but Mind The conservatives are right in that we need ourselves a rudder But its not god, faith, or family moron; did you hear me studder? If Her playful sparkling innocence is to ever have a future Each child, each mind, and each generation with Objectivism nurture No longer underground, dear world, as tragic freaks forced to hide Objectivists push impatiently this deadly mess aside America is not a corpse just yet but Her pulse is fading fast Transition to a government of laws not men or she'll fall with the pearls she casts We demand it, we'll have it before its gone this perfection of which I speak The time has come, the time is ours their time was up last week

	Subject War Date Tue Feb 25 2003 11:58 Author Strike (Cpd026@military.com)
Saddam has got to go and GWB is the man to do it. We will practice Justice at War in that we will not intenionally bomb civilians.

Subject Sign the Emergency Petition to the U.N.! Date Mon Mar 3 2003 23:25 Author The staff of AlterNet (moveon-help@list.moveon.org)

Dear MoveOn member, We've launched an emergency petition from citizens around the world to the U.N. Security Council. We'll be delivering the list of signers and your comments to the 15 member states of the Security Council on THURSDAY, MARCH 6. If hundreds of thousands of us sign, it could be an enormously important and powerful message -- people from all over the world joining in a single call for a peaceful solution. But we really need your help, and soon. Please sign and ask your friends and colleagues to sign TODAY at: http://www.moveon.org/emergency/ In the next week, the U.N. Security Council will likely meet to decide on authorizing a war against Iraq. If the Council votes to accept a second resolution, it'll be very difficult to avert a war. But if the resolution doesn't get enough votes, it'll be a major setback for the Bush Administration's plans to invade and occupy Iraq. In the United States and around the world, millions of us oppose a war against Iraq. We believe that tough inspections can disarm Saddam Hussein without the loss of a single life. This week may represent our last chance to win without war. The stakes couldn't really be much higher. A war with Iraq could kill tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians and inflame the Middle East. According to current plans, it would require an American occupation of the country for years to come. And it could escalate in ways that are horrifying to imagine. We can stop this tragedy from unfolding. But we need to speak together, and we need to do so now. Let's show the Security Council what world citizens think. You can add your voice at: http://www.moveon.org/emergency/ Then please ask your friends, family, colleagues, acquaintances -- anyone you know who shares this concern -- to sign on today. As the New York Times put it, "there may still be two superpowers on the planet: the United States and world public opinion." The Bush Administration's been flexing its muscles. Now let's flex ours. Sincerely, --Eli Pariser International Campaigns Director MoveOn.org March 3rd, 2003 P.S. Here's the letter we'll be delivering to the Security Council members along with the petition: Dear Member of the U.N. Security Council, We are citizens from countries all over the world. We are speaking together because we will all be affected by a decision in which your country has a major part -- the decision of how to disarm Iraq. The first reason for its existence listed in the Preamble to the Charter of the United Nations is "to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind." If your country supports a Security Council resolution that would authorize a war on Iraq, you will directly contradict that charter. You will be supporting an unnecessary war -- a war which immediately, and in its unknown consequences, could bring "untold sorrow to mankind" once again. The U.N. was created to enable peaceful alternatives to conflict. The weapons inspections under way are a perfect example of just such an alternative, and their growing success is a testament to the potential power the U.N. holds. By supporting tough inspections instead of war, you can show the world a real way to resolve conflict without bloodshed. But if you back a war, it will undermine the very premise upon which the U.N. was built. President Bush argues that only by endorsing a war on Iraq can the United Nations prove its relevance. We argue the opposite. If the Security Council allows itself to be completely swayed by one member nation, in the face of viable alternatives, common sense and world public opinion, then it will be diminished in its role, effectiveness, and in the opinion of humankind. We do not support this war. For billions of citizens in hundreds of countries, and for the future generations whose lives will be shaped by the choice you make, we ask that you stand firm against the pressuring of the Bush Administration, and support tough inspections for Iraq. The eyes of the world are on you. Sincerely, [Number] citizens of the world. ________________

Subject Long message, Worth reading Date Thu Mar 6 2003 22:36 Author Joe Alexander (jalexander@pcpostal.com)

I've read all the postings and found there are 2 main views on our position with Iraq. 1)War with Iraq is the right thing to do because saddam is dangerous and his people need liberation. 2)War with Iraq is wrong because it is not peaceful. 3)The USA should set up a government for Iraq to help it develop in the rigth direction. Saddly few people have the thinking capacity to develop these thoughts. If they could they would realize this. 1)War with Iraq is not the same thing as getting rid of Saddam.War with Iraq is war with people of Iraq (the army includes people of Iraq, they are not volunteers). They are the ones we fight. The ones you people say we are liberating. 2)War with Iraq is not wrong simply because it is not peaceful. War is meant to bring peace after all. Instead, war with Iraq is wrong because Iraq is not our enemy, Saddam is our enemy. 3)Our country is based on people choosing their own form of government. To say the people of Iraq cannnot do the same is more oppressive then Britain denying the colonies their freedom. Go to war, no. Get rid of saddam, yes. Set up government for Iraq, unconstitutional.

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Subject IRAQ WAR: GUESS WHO GETS THE OIL Date Thu Mar 13 2003 17:25 Author oil war (oilwar@postmaster.co.uk)

IRAQ WAR: GUESS WHO GETS THE OIL http://www.thedebate.org/ American oil firms with close ties to the Bush government are set to take control of Iraq's oil infrastructure and rebuild it to increase oil output. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2837477.stm "Among the five is a subsidiary of Halliburton, the oil and construction giant run by US Vice President Dick Cheney for five years." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2247116.stm "US Vice President Dick Cheney is one of Washington's leading hawks". He has constantly pushed for attacks on Iraq that would begin with the seizure of Iraq's oilfields. "The vice president has also been deeply involved in the oil industry for much of his career." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1554217.stm "Mr Cheney is implicated in the wave of corporate scandals for allegedly fraudulent accounting practices carried out by an oil firm he headed before taking office." A "Congress watchdog decided to take the White House to court to try and force Mr Cheney to give details of his contacts with Enron, after he (Cheney) refused to give evidence." Legislators are already investigating "how the disgraced energy firm Enron might have influenced the policies proposed by Mr Cheney's energy task force." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2310943.stm "Still more damaging for the White House are the current allegations levelled against the vice-president Dick Cheney." "The only option was war. It has sucked all the air out of the media and so it has trumped all these other issues." "The corporate crime wave was dominating the newspapers and on television and they had to change the subject." The "corporate crime wave" is is growing. The President, the Vice President and most of the Bush cabinet are oilmen: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1138000/1138009.stm The US government and their oil corporations are about to take attack and sieze control of some of the world's largest oil reserves, bringing the world's most prolific thieves and murderers unprecedented wealth and power. The Oil War is the greatest armed robbery of all time. Everybody except the oil elite will face increased risk of terrorism and increased of financial instability as a result. Please send this message to your friends. The world deserves to know the truth. http://www.thedebate.org/ keywords: war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, iraq war, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran war. for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi arabia. iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil. war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil, war, oil, iraq, saudi, arabia, iran, war, for, oil, oil, war, bush, oil war, war for oil

Subject The Slayer and the Slain Date Fri Mar 14 2003 16:08 Author Bhagavad Gita

TRUTH ? The impermanent has no reality; reality lies in the eternal. Those who have seen the boundary between these two have attained the end of all knowledge. Realize that which pervades the universe and is indestructible; no power can affect this unchanging, imperishable reality...one man believes he is the slayer, another believes he is the slain. Both are ignorant; there is neither slayer nor slain. You were never born; and you will never die. You have never changed, you can never change. Unborn, eternal, immutable,immortal, you do not die when your body dies. Realizing that which is indestructible, eternal, unborn, and unchanging, how can you slay or cause another to slay?...The Self cannot be pierced by weapons or burned by fire,water cannot wet it, nor can the wind dry it. The Self cannot be pierced or burned, made wet or dry. It is everlasting and infinite, standing on the motionless foundations of eternity. The Self is unmanifested, beyond all thought, beyond all change. Knowing this you should not grieve. Bhagavad Gita 2:16-25

	Subject It doesn't matter if Bush is Right Date Sun Mar 16 2003 21:48 Author Brian (Brian@aol.com)
Whether or not Bush is right doesn't matter. The decision has been made. At this point we all need to support our President and troops. God Bless America! Brian http://www.pro-american.com

	Subject Our Country, Right or Wrong Date Mon Mar 17 2003 12:36 Author M. Record
The Constitution is not suspended in times of War. It is our right to stand up for what we believe in. If we do not believe either American troops or Iraqi civilians should be killed in a Pre-emptive strike, then we must speak out in order to be true, patriotic American Citizens. Aren't we requesting that the Iraqis speak out against their President?

Subject A-some true facts for a change Date Wed Mar 19 2003 23:02 Author Mohamad (spear22@hotmail.com)

How can you save a nation buy declaring war on it, that is the most stupidest thing I have ever heard. If USA really had the intention to “only” disarm Saddam Hussein, they would have done that already and with no means of war. I mean every one knows the famous CIA. The CIA can bring down Saddam Hussein and his sons, with out even trying. Not everyone knows the real reason why America is doing this war, its for the oil, for the control of the middle-east , to build military bases there and then maybe use those bases to help bomb Iran, to benefit Israel some how. So bush can be popular in his coming elections, and just for the sheer fun of killing( I am not being hard on the American people they are good people, but their government is the worst government in the world.). And If US is going to disarm Iraq so called weapons of mass destruction, why doesn’t it disarm North Korea(not saying anything bad or good about North Korea), who kicked the US diplomats out of its country, and said with no fear that they are not afraid to use their nuclear weapons, so why did US do nothing about it, because they were afraid because they did not want to go to war, with a country that had REAL WEAPONS. And plus come on, real, real, real innocent people are going to dye( no doubt abut that). I think we are smart enough to know the difference between right and wrong. Sorry if I offended anyone, but the truth hurts.